I've tried the joint editor, but it doesn't seem to quite fit the bill. I can set up the centres for each link and the parents, but it still moves as a unit if I drag one end. If I use "point at" at the other end it only partially solves the problem, the last link bends, but the rest of the chain stays straight. I'm still pretty sure IK will solve it, but now when I try to create a new chain, I can't drag any props into the chain. Seems to accept body parts, but not props. Is this normal and is there a way around it? Thanks yet again, Axe