Here's my take on it, and it jives a little with what Allerleirauh said - tweaking the Poser male is a pain in the butt for me. Hey, Metacreations people, get a girlie on your staff and she'll be able to fix what y'all did wrong, he's ugly! The only Poser male that I've seen whose face I thought was incredible is the one that JKeller put on his Jacketman/Trenchcoat Man. I love the smirks that David Hulbert did for the females, any chance of you doing some for the male figure, Dave? He's got just about as goofy a smile as I've ever seen. Or have I been outta the loop for so long that there's already a morph made for that? hides her face in shame :) WG