thanx gareee i will try that and that is the trouble with newer versions one never really knows how it will turn out

-hborre
in that case it is poserpro- yeah if you could check out the morph went you get a chance- do you also have the motif exp.? somehow i vaguely remember not having this odd problem before but i might be mistaken.
thanx in advance
(i remember you helped me with the texture issue i had a while ago and everything worked out well)