you're correct in that too, Melanie. I personally find the Poser guy not ugly at all. I haven't tried any texture maps for him yet but have worked with others' maps, morphed him a bit and he's okay. Your maps look great and I hope others will create and share some of these. When I get back in 10 days or so I am going to try your tips for creating some maps for him, but so far I haven't come across any frontal face images of any men other than some teeny ones in some catalogs. Where, pray tell, do you find yours? Diane B