Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: No more purchases

Marque opened this issue on Jun 02, 2010 · 22 posts


DarrenUK posted Thu, 03 June 2010 at 7:34 AM

Quote - Bringing this up in the Poser forum will not help fix any problems. :)

Maybe not, but it raises the awareness of other customers to the potential problem, and as far as I am aware, this is the second thread started by a different person on the same subject in the past few days. People understandably don't want to find themselves in court over unclear terms of use.
The moderators advice then was to contact the vendor first. Good advice, however if the problem is wider than just one or two sellers then Renderosity should do something to make the terms clearer to buyers and sellers, not rely on individual sellers. (after all, as the  providers of the hosting and transaction side, they get a cut of the money).

Like most users here I read the sites terms and conditions etc.
The gist of which seems to be:
Don't sell or illegally share meshes/ models/ textures created from a product.
Sharing or selling your own artwork created/ rendered using a product is fine.

While for many Poser is a hobby, for many others it is one of the tools of their trade. The majority of products sold here are "drill bits to fit the drill". "I don't mould and cast new drill bits from the original to sell and go into the drill bit manufacturering busines , but if I use the drill bit in my drill as a tool to make furniture or something, I don't expect the drill bit manufacturer to say "you can't sell that chair, you used one of my drill bits to make the holes in the wood!"".

Individual terms and conditions in readme files can be unclear and confusing especially when something can be interpreted in more than one way.

I believe that creators of content that is provided free should have the right to say that it cannot be used commercially. Likewise, content that is created loosely based on something from a tv show or film etc should be fine in most cases, as long as it is provided free and cannot be used for commercial work. (personal use / fan artwork only).

Why anyone would want to pay for a product from here that they can can only use of personal use is beyond me. If the seller insists on putting the non commercial clause in for a paid for item, then it should be made clear in bold letters on the products page and not hidden away in a confusing readme file.
We have content advisory flags in the forum, surely it would be better for vendors and us to have a standard terms of use but possibly with clear usage flags on the products page?

While some threads can be an attack on someone, I don't think that this was the intention or spirit of this subjuct. It was merely to warn other users of the dangers of "not reading the fine print".

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