hmmm..... that's confusing... did a new .obj file to be placed in RuntimeGeometries come with the characters? or maybe it's some of that new imbedded geometry stuff? if it's based on V2, it would also be based on V1, since V2 uses the bmilwom.obj that V1 uses. So, anyone with a couple of tutorials and PHI factory and UV Mapper would be able to concoct his own Vicki from the .obj, if the DAZ girls contain that geometry. I can't picture DAZ being sloppy like that, so I guess it must mean something else.