I didn't mean to start a "Let's Lynch Harlann" thread. From my point of view, harlann, I don't want you to feel guilty, I just want you to be a better critic. Your entitled to your opinion. End of story. epilogue There's a broad spectrum of value in the market already. Threeality's spider seems to at least be honest and WYSIWYG. If he/she makes $100 dollars and the customers are happy with it why should I care? If anything it means I should be busy making models everyday! Peace.