Hey if it's any consolation, I use your plant materials an awful lot! I made my first Vue 4 animation today. I animated a fern changing from the normal Vue 4 fern into your "golden" fern over a period of 5 seconds. easy, and quick, really, though I only rendered it in Preview, but really it didn't turn out too bad... pretty good really, considering I put the least amount of effort possible into it. :) I'll upload the 300 KB .avi file whenever I can finally get ahold of my ISP tech people to tell me again what my ftp address is. ;/