Gee all these Californians! Who would of thunk it? ;-) I have been in San Francisco since 1980, and I just got an apartment in Alameda last thursday. I'll be moving in a week. I hate moving, I just hope I don't have any down time on my computers. One of these days we should all meet somewhere where we can all get to and swap Poser horror stories ;-) I've have always been hoping for some form of a Poser gathering in the Bay Area. I'd like to see if we could get some people from DAZ (I've gotten to know them very well but they're in Utah) and Curious Lab over here as well. James