ArtPearl opened this issue on Aug 15, 2010 · 38 posts
JenX posted Sun, 15 August 2010 at 5:43 PM
Artpearl,
I can understand your frustration, however you must know that, no matter how much we would like to, we do not live in a world of just black and white situations, but a rainbow of in-between colors and grey areas. Any action you see taken on the community side goes through much discussion and thought of the rules on the whole as well as what we feel would be more community minded. Granted, we don't always make the right decision, but we do so earnestly.
Sometimes it's really easy to come to a decision. There are times, like in your first example, where it is really easy to decide whether or not an image has nudity. If you can see genitals, or nipples on a humanoid female, it is deemed nudity. However, like in your example, there are times when we have to take the dictionary definition of nudity. Nudity, according to the Merriam Webster Dictionary (and a sea of others) literally means without clothing. Now, there may not be anything showing, but, if it's obvious that the figure behind is, indeed, without clothing then it is nude. So, you and I are not going to agree on that.
As for your 2nd image...as I have nothing to do with the 2D gallery, unfortunately I cannot answer why your image had not gone up for review before. However, I'm not sure what comfort you might take in the fact that it is in review now. Unless it is completely blatant (I don't have my glasses on at the moment, so I honestly couldn't tell whether the figures are or aren't nude offhand), every potential violation goes for a team review. Each image is reviewed by normally no less than 5 members of staff to deem whether or not an image is a violation, needs a flag, or a new thumbnail.*
As for the recent post in the Vue forum regarding a book; While it is true that advertising is not allowed, we recognize the difference between advertising a product and sharing knowledge. We also recognize that not all knowledge in this world is free. There are many ways to share your knowledge of a program, and books are just one in a sea of many ways to share your knowledge. We did ask that the member/author remove the link from the post, but we welcome posts in the community not only alerting members of a new venue of learning, but also of a fantastic milestone by one of our very own community members. It really is a boon for all of us to have such amazing talent in the community, and helps us all strive to achieve more.
About a year and a half ago, I wrote an announcement in the Poser forum, highlighting a similar, though not exact, situation. While this was posted in the Poser forum (at the time, thought to be really the only area affected by the problem), it applies to the site as a whole.
Now, I know that it seems that we don't listen to members regarding situations, simply because action doesn't happen right away. I have no way of proving it to you without violating my NDA, but I can tell you that there are discussions going on right now amongst Moderators and Admins regarding the TOS, and the very "Alien Nudity" discussion that you mentioned. These things take time and will not be remedied overnight, but we will work until we have a solution that works best for the entire community. Sometimes, though, the way we are doing things now about a certain situation IS the right thing for the community as a whole, so you may not see a change at al.
The problem that some people see is that their own interpretation of the TOS is being violated by either the membership or the staff. The problem is, sometimes, interpretation is wrong. Even WE get things wrong. And, we try to acknowledge when we've been wrong, and we should move on from there. The more we're willing to acknowledge and fix our mistakes, the more we grow as a community.
I hope this answers some of your concerns, artpearl. I am willing to listen to any and all concerns that you have.
Jeni
*Please note: Not providing proper thumbnail or improper use of flags is NOT a TOS violation in and of itself. However, REPEATEDLY doing so IS, as it constitutes affecting the normal operations of the community if staff is constantly having to fix flags and thumbnails for one member.
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