Klebnor opened this issue on Aug 25, 2010 · 29 posts
Klebnor posted Fri, 27 August 2010 at 12:08 PM
Quote - You do realize of course that in Poser format using the material room is the "correct" way of offering MATs? That creating Pose Library MAT files was a hack done during the Poser 4 era and has really been outdated since P5? Heck I recall a time when many placed those MAT files in the Camera library because they were trying to cut down on how long the library listing was getting as it only saw xx number of folders.
In general perhaps vendors create Pose Library MAT files because A. The customers prefer it as they are used to it, and B. Perhaps they are too lazy to bother opening the Material room Tab. Personally I work from inside the material room so it's irrelevant to me.
There are also items, props particularly, that can't use a Poser library MAT file.
As for using in a different software, that's great, but unless the product states it's compatible in something other than Poser then why are you expecting it to have or use outdated Poser hacks?
A quick peek at the readme is in fact quite reasonable, and generally the file listing is at the bottom of the readme. While I mark my products if they use the Material room (props), many don't simply because using the Material room is the correct way of handling it.
Lastly, if you are going to be snarky and rude you have to expect the same back or no response. To you to respond in a condescending manner to those responding to you is just flat out rude and implies that you simply feel you know best on the subject, which frankly makes your opening question rhetorical.
It may be an old saying but it's still true that you "catch more flies with honey."
The original post simply requested a method to filter products based on whether mat pose files are provided. As stated this is due to the increasing tendency to provide alternate materials without such a pose to apply them.
Renderosity caters to users of other software than just Poser. Much of the content sold here can be used in other programs. Why is it so difficult to understand that some users would want to know whether mat poses are included?
Mat poses may be a hack, but they have been accepted very broadly, to judge by much of the content sold here. That hack has been widely adopted, to the extent that other programs use it to apply textures and shaders. Without the poser material room, one is left manually applying textures to shader zones. For a hack that has been outdated for years, it gets an awful lot of play in current products.
Now who is using the term lazy in a pejorative manner? Only poser users have access to a material room tab. I readily admit that I am too lazy to manually apply alternate textures to shader zones on an object. This process is automated by the material room, and also for other users via the mat pose files which have been adopted by other software packages. If a vendor creates mat poses for their alternate textures, then this work is done once by one person who benefits financially and does not have to be repeated every time a product is used by all its users.
The problem is that products are not required to specify that they are usable in poser only. That would also be an acceptable approach.
I did not post this request in the poser forum (it was a request in the markeplace forum, not a rhetorical question) because I would fully expect the snarky condescending responses that were tacked on here, had it been posted there. Since it is in the proper forum, the responses are simply over sensitive reaction to one word ... which apparently hit a nerve.
As to the disclosure of all files in the readme.txt file, this is comparable to small print in a long contract.
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