Quote - I've been wondering this because no matter how good renders of V3, V4 etc made with Poser or DAZ are, they still look like  DOLLS , they don't look real.

Yeah, but have you ever seen a hyper-realistic render of someone that included the entire figure?  I never have.  Every example I've ever seen was nothing more than a portrait.

I'd be willing to bet that the illusion would be completely shattered if someone rendered anything below the collar bone.