Crescent, You've never lived in paradice have you... ;^] Oh ya, wolf359 The reason they don't have raytrace or collision warning and open GL support for that mater, is because if they did, poser would become one of theose "highend apps outside the financial range of their user base" items. That is the type of fetures or capabilities that makes programs like max lightwave exc. cost so much. If you think about it by just adding a decent reitrace engin, and open gl support alone would give you somthing better than charector studio offers, at which point the price would get really high really fast. But Poser 5 is on the horizon, so let's see and hope. I try to use max to render all the time anyway, I just want to see collsion warning, that alone would make the program gold. Think about it... You just import the shirt, conform it, scale it down, and it automaticaly gert's the charectoristics of the body it's around. Or even better you wouldn't have to reajust things when animating. Yippi!!!! (Beter than using magnets, and less time consuming too.) wouldn't that be a dream come true. But i'm not a programer and thus I can't even make a plug in for it. So many people over look or don't understand the consept or potential of collision warning or "Solidify" commands, so it never get's offered. -Gabe-