Hmm, I donno when :) I do know that bryce needs a major patch really soon! :) Anyways, I'm suprised how sloppy the renderer is for Bryce, anyways check out the following url, and then ask yourself why Corel didn't "think" much on the renderer.. ~grins~ http://www.bryce5.net/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=107&FORUM_ID=16&CAT_ID=4&Topic_Title=%2ASMART+RENDER%2A&Forum_Title=Bryce+6+Wish%2DList