Thanks, thought I lost my old version of 3 just found it. However, the read me file for Poser 4.0.3 (didn't buy it till Curious Labs got it back) said it was enhanced or improved in this new version? Maybe I can find the same file name after I install 3. Thanks again...by the way I sent an e-mail to curious labs and they told me RDS in now Carrara (dah) and they didn't know where to get the patch for RDS??? must have been a transferre from metacreations. :)