thank you both, actually my animation tests are merely to seek and show carrara secrets and unknown abilities in 3d landscaping, since I didn't find anything like that before on the web. I am pretty sure that C may turn in a top noche 3d application only if we show how powerful it is so that daz convinces itself to develop it more and more; it all depends on C community, but as far as I can see both of you are doing a great job. merry christmas