Anime and Manga Ban

The only thing that worries me about it is that it's been vaguely written and open to interpretation:

[quote]Another section of the revised bill would allow the government to directly regulate the above images if the depicted acts are also "considered to be excessively disrupting of social order"[/quote]

So anyone think that renderosity could be blacklisted under this law?

"Bill 156 would require the industry to also regulate "manga, anime, and other images (except for real-life photography)" that "unjustifiably glorify or exaggerate" certain sexual or pseudo sexual acts. Another section of the revised bill would allow the government to directly regulate the above images if the depicted acts are also "considered to be excessively disrupting of social order" such as rape....etc...etc"

Exactly where is the "ban on anime"  in the story you linked***???***

Cheers***

I didn't know all anime/manga was pornographic, evidently I have been reading inferior manga!  Article says it's a ban on hard porn, not all anime/manga, and only a ban of the sale of such to minors.

Sounds like Japan has decided to join pretty much the rest of the world in how it handles stuff like rape and whatnot.

this is a ban on Hentai, the pornagraphic manga and anime subset. they get pretty rough in those. beastiality and incest.

 manga books totally different style, drawn by human artists.  no way to duplicate that in poser without alotta postwork.  manga users wouldn't buy book that used poser for illos IMVHO.

p.s. in response to pj's statement, unfortunately there are 1 or more poser sites devoted to btk :crying: but that's the exception that proves the rule.

Aside from that, not all Poser images are about rape and stuff. ;)

There's a follow-up article which states that the ban doesn't apply to "electronic data that is viewed on mobile sites or downloaded."  Which sort of sounds like the internet is being given an exception.  Either way, I don't see how 'Rosity would be at risk.  Possibly 'Rotica or other, more adult Poser sites, depending on what the electronic data exception really means. 

That whole tentacle thing was a workaround to circumvent existing regulations.  I guess now they're regulating the tentacles and such.  I'm curious about what comes next.  :unsure:

It's about time they've passed this bill, hopefully more countries will follow.

I was about to have a heart attack when I saw the title.  I'm glad to hear that the ban isn't on all anime.   I don't get into the hentai stuff but I can tell them one thing.  These days it's difficult to ban anything that can be placed on the Internet.  Even if they ban it in tokyo they can still house the material on overseas servers.

In addition to that there are tons of things worst than the anime and manga that they are trying to ban.  It's good that they are finally trying to put a leash on it, but I know know that it's too little too late.  Japan has always been sexually loose in more than one area.  I always wondered when they would hit the breaking point of sexual behavior and publicactions.  I wonder what crime has increased so much that it would make the government consider that the content is warping the minds of their youth.

Anime and Manga as an art form still rocks.

Perhaps they've had the same problems as we've had in Holland. We've got kids (12-16 years old), raping and gang banging girls & boys against their will. When asked in the court case why they did it, they answered: 'we thought it was normal and OK to do so. We listen to rappers all day rapping about this stuff. We watch movies we're everyone is doing that. We read comics and books that advocate these things'

This wasn't some isolated event, it happens on a regular basis. No, we haven't banned music, comics and movies, our goverment only talkes about issues, never doing anything about it, but it should make us think. These age groups cannot see the full scope of what they're doing. Kids see things on TV they should not see, so often, listen to lyrics no one at their age should really listen too and read comics not made for them at all. They're bombarded with this stuff and they're starting to think it's normal and start acting it out. Perhaps something similar is happening in Japan and the goverment has enough guts to do something about it.

I think what most are missing is, that it's all about sale/availability of certain materials to people under the age of 18.

I guess this is quite common in most countries. Maybe the age differs. It's 18 in most of Europe and I think 21 in some other countries.

It comes right down to parents not doing their fair share of responsibly teaching proper behavior and morality to minors.  Now governments need to step in and regulate up bringing also.

Convenience store (combini) magazine racks are one place which are highly visible and easily scrutinised.  Some publishers of well-known "pantie mags" - commonly found on such racks - are saying they will now have to publish tamer front covers, or else they won't be able to stay within the law ( hoh hoh ).

There is another market called DouJin, or self-publised works. Loads of original and fan fiction publications here, in manga form mostly.  It is not difficult to find internet-based anime versions as well.  Many doujin works contain utterly bizarre and explicit content.

If the intention is to protect and to provide moral guidance to youth, as is the government's stated intent, then it is no surprise that this form of regulation has kicked in.

I did not believe the topic title when I first saw it. It is ridiculous to think that anime and manga in general could be banned in Tokyo. Then I remembered that comic books in America WERE banned back in the 1950's! X.X

One thing to bring in mind, though about these anime & mangas, is that most of them look like kids.  Yes, even with big breasts.  I see quite a few at DeviantArt with small breasts and think, "can they really do that?  These girls look like... little girls".  I'm surprised DA doesn't do anything about them, they're all over.  "cartoon", people would say... frowns and shakes head but they look like kids.  Worst of all, a lot of sexual settings are in a school, or with girls with school clothes.

You ever stop and think about it that way?

I've wondered for a long time if Japan's teen/child rape and/or sex is skyrocketing there.

...wolfie

Child sex trafficking is growing in every country.  And downloading the pix to more computers everyday.  US courts just give a slap on the wrist now.  Lawyers make money from the cases and repeat offenders.

Cyber versions of such pix/animation are not seen as a problem in the US.  All cases are thrown out.

I think there is a lot of variety in manga/anime, not very much of it is drawn to make the characters look like children.  SOME of it is, and some of that is very explicit mind you, and the pervs gravitate toward the pervy stuff as always.  But the vast majority of anime and manga out there is not porn, it's just comics.  You tend to see the most aggressively shitty and pervy stuff on places like DA but then you have aggressively shitty and pervy Poser stuff there too.

Quote - Child sex trafficking is growing in every country.  And downloading the pix to more computers everyday.  US courts just give a slap on the wrist now.  Lawyers make money from the cases and repeat offenders.

Cyber versions of such pix/animation are not seen as a problem in the US.  All cases are thrown out.

People do indeed go to prision for this stuff.  You can dislike the laws or disagree with them or whatever, but pretending they're not enforced or whatever is dumb.  The Whorley case has already been challenged and it stands:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28319199/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

and Christopher Handley remains in prison (he actually pled guilty):

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/02/obscene-us-manga-collector-jailed-6-months/

Quote - but then you have aggressively shitty and pervy Poser stuff there too.

:O Me specifically?  Or are you saying "there are" meaning not me specifically?  If that's what you meant, I agree there are a lot of majorly shitty Poser stuff there.

...wolfie

"There" is DeviantArt in general, I wasn't picking on you (I don't even know what you might have posted there, and I'm not interested in going to look thanks in advance, the DA gallery makes me cringe mightily)

lol I see... well, I only view friends images (good high quality realistic everyday stuff and non of the fetish/rape/monster/porn garbage).  When I've browsed 3D catagory a few times, yea, I cringed at all kinds of garbage & low quality MONSTER boob & muscle crap lol, makes me sick.

...wolfie

Quote - These age groups cannot see the full scope of what they're doing.

I worked in the youth development field for almost 20 years and that was one of the biggest challenges that we had when it came to kids of all ages (including teens).  How to show them the full scope of what they're doing.  It's like trying to show a distant future when they can barely picture 5 minutes into the future.

If Japan is trying to ban this type of anime and manga then my guess is that things must be really out of hand. But I know they won't be able to ban all anime simply because it brings in Big $$ for alot of industries. Anime and Manga is a culture within itself. Just like the comic industry here, but bigger.

Quote - If Japan is trying to ban this type of anime and manga ...

Did you not read the news article or the several posts in this thread that explained what's going on?

Quote - Convenience store (combini) magazine racks are one place which are highly visible and easily scrutinised.  Some publishers of well-known "pantie mags" - commonly found on such racks - are saying they will now have to publish tamer front covers, or else they won't be able to stay within the law ( hoh hoh ). There is another market called DouJin, or self-publised works. Loads of original and fan fiction publications here, in manga form mostly.  It is not difficult to find internet-based anime versions as well.  Many doujin works contain utterly bizarre and explicit content.

If the intention is to protect and to provide moral guidance to youth, as is the government's stated intent, then it is no surprise that this form of regulation has kicked in.

Yeah, but still is banning some types of anime/manga with vague rules a good idea?  To me if rape or panty shots were speficially the problems then it should be an easily identifable and quantifable listing that is plain, simple, and clear... not "anything that causes social disruption".  There's also a fear effect in play, I've heard, with some publishers either telling the mangaka or anime makers you can't do this or reprint that out of fear of regulation.  I've also heard that a ton of publishers are pulling out of some sort of big anime fair thingy.

If this is just put questionable things in an R-rated section so the kiddies can't buy it, that's not as big a problem by me.  If it's a carte blanche for some people to ban whatever art they don't like, that's something else.

Did anyone notice the words non-binding resolution? That's legalese for 'there outta be a law' - not there is a law...

I don't understand why people keep filtering out the crucial "TO MINORS" part of the wording of this law.  While I haven't read it in the original Japanese (I don't speak Japanese) I'd think that if it was a blanket ban, these Japanese journalists reporting on it in English probably wouldn't be pulling "TO MINORS" out of their tentacle-probed orifices.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704098304576021092499410726.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/16/world/la-fg-japan-sex-books-20101216

Quote - The Tokyo Metropolitan Assembly on Wednesday approved an ordinance that makes it illegal to sell or rent sexually explicit manga and anime that "unjustifiably glorifies" violent sexual acts to anyone younger than 18.

Not surprising. Most people here can't see anything past the word "BAN".

Eric

So basically...

Manga and Anime aren't banned in Tokyo.  Neither is Poser generated work.

Right, got it.

Quote - > Quote - If Japan is trying to ban this type of anime and manga ...

Did you not read the news article or the several posts in this thread that explained what's going on?

Yes I read it as well as the follow up article that was included in it.

There's a reason Poser art could be included.

There's many people using poser to create EROTIC art with women. Just look at all the one at renderosity(AND I DONT MEAN RENDEROTICA).

By the way the bill passed.  It's an ordinance that includes fines and penalties, but no jail time. It seems as if they are going to ease this one into a law.  This also isn't the first time they have tried to pass something like this.

And as a fan of Anime and Manga, I would warn all parents both present and future to keep in mind that just because it's a cartoon doesn't mean that it's for kids.  Other anime fans can tell you that some Adult Anime and Manga can be very disturbing and twisted.  It will make make you instantly ask the question "what kind of person would want find enjoyment in this?"

Will this hurt Anime and Manga Fans passion for the art?  Nope, it won't

Will it affect Poser rendered art?  Nope, not unless you live in Tokyo and produce the type of Anime and Manga art that the government is targeting.

Is this move a good thing?  Probably so, but since there is a large sex industry in Japan, this ordinance will probably never reach a status of anything greater than what we see, which is an effort to try to clean up what youth are exposed to.  You know little Pervs grow up to be Pervs, so by changing the youth they can have a better crop of adults.

"Clean up what we are exposed to?" I'll have a snicker here.

This bill was never meant to ban hentai. The laws regarding hentai are already pretty specific in Japan. This bill aims do format what social behavior is acceptable in manga and anime that's considered to be mainstream and, by the way, the group that Ishihara wants to be wiped out of mainstream anime/manga product is also the group he would love to see wiped out of the face of Earth.

Namely: gay people.

You heard me. Governor Ishihara happens to be an extreme-right winger who constantly depicts male gay and lesbian people as the scourge of mankind. His homophobic views are very well known. Also, the very same man claims that manga/anime depicting rape murder are aimed to grade schoolers audience in Japan, which is absolutely untrue. That is, dear friends and neighbors, the man who has Tokyo in his fist right now.

To all those interested to read more about it, I present this link:

http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/

This should clarify things a bit and probably leave you with a bitter taste and a newfound despise of fanatics in general.

Quote - This should clarify things a bit and probably leave you with a bitter taste and a newfound despise of fanatics in general.

I read that too.  Many people are upset about it but even as an ordinance even though it's very weak because many of the same things they complain about in Anime and Manga is done in real life inside of their country and sold on adult videos.

If not on videos then it's done on the trains "for example, old men feeling on school girls on the train."  If you ever have a chance to talk to someone from Japan about some of the things that go on there then it would probably shock you and me being from the U.S. where things are already crazy then you can imagine what it might be like.

I don't want to say that Japan is awful, I'm just saying that things that are considered sexually acceptable there would be outlawed in many countries. But definitely talk to someone who lives there. It would be a treat. It'll blow your mind.

Yep, I clearly see the connection..... banning anima/manga comics that are mainly about young girls in school uniforms being raped by men is in reality an attack on gay people.

As far as I'm concerned they should ban anything that gives the impression that sex is involved with minors or that glorifies rape in what ever fashion or form. Shame on people who make such stuff.

Quote - Yep, I clearly see the connection..... banning anima/manga comics that are mainly about young girls in school uniforms being raped by men is in reality an attack on gay people.

Man, I thought it was just me!

Quote - As far as I'm concerned they should ban anything that gives the impression that sex is involved with minors or that glorifies rape in what ever fashion or form. Shame on people who make such stuff.

That's where I sit on the issue and it doesn't matter if it's Anime, Manga, Bugs Bunny, Micky Mouse, Movies, or stick figures.  There always has to be limits to behavior be it real or virtual because you never know who is being inspired by the actions we do and the words we speak.

Sometimes you do know!

I know they say you can't judge a book by its cover but ... damn that's a fugly cover.

This going to be long and for this, I apologize in advance. Also, we should start with knowing who we're really talking about there, making laws for the good people of Tokyo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shintar%C5%8D_Ishihara

Not the word of God, but still good info.

Now. From the reactions I got, I think I have to clarify one thing: what I was trying to express here, is that instrumentalization of an evil can be as harmful as that evil, if in a different way. My feeling is that Ishihara is doing just that. A couple examples:

In USA, under Bush Jr, if you wanted to pass a law that would limit citizen's freedom of actio, expression or of any other kind, after 9/11, all you had to say was "This is against terrorists. It's to protect our homeland against evil."

Regardless of political opinions you or I might have, let's face it: the Patriot Act allows the State to do pretty much anything to anyone in the name of the fight against terrorism.

Only, in some fields, terrorists don't really work as a scapegoat. You can hardly ban mainstream porn or gay innuendos by waving a photo of Bin Laden under the people's nose to justify that kind of censorship, unless of course you can prove that all porn stars and gay pride participants have secret connections with Al Qaeda.

When it comes to sex, there is an obvious and inacceptable evil, child pornography. We don't need to think, we don't need to debate, we know it's evil, period. Nobody questions that. Trouble is, anything that cannot be discussed, or debated, is also a powerful weapon.

In France, a law has been put in motion called LOPPSI 2. This project aims to allow the State to spy on any french internet user at any time and also to filter the access to any website the government see fit to put down. The scapegoat they used? Pedophiles. How convenient.The law is made in such a way that the government won't even have to justify why a given site must be blocked. Technically, you can shut down political blogs, spy on social networks to find out where protestants might gather and whe, etc. The pervs are then long forgotten. They have served their designed purpose in this matter.

In Mr Ishihara's case, the bill he passed waves the photo of "kids being exposed to harmful material" and "socialy unacceptable attitude depicted in comic books" under the people's nose.  What should tick off anyone reading his bill is the very wide spectrum of action of the law he's created. Same as for the anti terrorist acts in USA or the LOPPSI in France, it's said to be aimed at one problem but when it comes to the letter of the law, it's terribly vague.

You can put about anything in that bag he knitted. Anything the Governor's office will deem "socially unacceptable" from now oncan be banned from the medias.And we're not just talking about harming kids or raping innocent bystanders there.

This is where the "homophobia" issue comes in.

Ishihara's bawwwwwing about "harmful material" is not that old. There was a time when he would even write novels with lots of "socially unacceptable" sex in them. Back then he would certainly not have been censored, nor wanted to be. On the other hand, with time, he developped a strong anti-gay tendency which he expressed in many occasions, sometimes in presence of the media. He went as far as saying that gay people "lack something. It must be something in their genes". Also, this is the tamest thing he said about homosexual people.

I don't know if any of you three is gay, bi, straight, if you're unconcerned by the concept of homosexuality, pro-gay or homophobic, and my own opinons on gay don't even matter at all either. It's not about liking gay people or hating them.

I think that now, all we need to see exactly where he wants to go wit this whole thing is time. He's a rather impatient man and his current term is almost expired. He will want to move fast to bring forth his views.

I can very well accept that our societies need to fight actual evil. I feel very nauseous though when I see someone using the people's good will and their fears in order to serve their own ends and enact their hates.

Oh and, FightingWolf: the old issue of "you never know who's going to read this/view this and how they will react after that" is a somewhat worn-out concept. I have played countless first person shooters and have never shot anyone. Millions of people have played Super Mario games and we have yet to confirm that any italian plumber was found dead in the woods after consuming poisonous mushrooms. As for the pus stains called pedophiles, many of them started out of nothing, simply praying on someone obviously smaller and weaker than them, or simply repeating the horrors they were submitted to as children, the same way beaten up kids sometimes end up beating their own children when they grow up. There is no Necronomicon of kidporn out there that turns people into molesters. David Berkowitz used to claim that his neighbor's dog was the vessel of a demon who commanded him to kill people. Somehow, I don't buy it. Do you?

People don't need an excuse to be evil. All they need is circumstances, low values and very little intelligence can help too. I doubt the people I saw butchering their neighbors in Ambon at the end of the nineties, with my own eyes, had watched "violent movies". Many of them were so poor they couldn't even afford to pay the power bill to watch TV.

Crazy people like power, and too much power makes them even more crazy. I'm happy with letting people who do not demonstrate craziness or rampant hates making sensible laws. I can't say the same about revisionnists and fascists in the fashion of Mr Ishihara and his like.

Always be weary of Greeks bearing gifts. I know I'd be a bit suspiscious about the trapdoor in that giant wooden horse's belly. I doubt it's for putting batteries in.

Thanks for clarifying, I now do understand your previous comment better.

You're very welcome, aeilkema. My take is, we haven't heard it all yet about this bill. Still, I hope things will be sorted a civilized manner. One can always hope :)

I still don't see the automatic association between gays ... and rape and pedophelia.  Until you just made me write it.  I'm a bit grossed out that you went there.  This distresses me.

Realize it more appropriately applies to Americans ... and rape and pedophilia.  The article about the Tokyo governer that you linked has a lot more content about him hating on furriners than about him hating on gays, so I think the connection is obvious.  Americans/rape/pedophilia is obviously the real target.

This thread makes me queasy.

edit: I remember why this bothered me so much.  The slippery slope argument is sometimes used in really horrible ways, that's one, and today's gem is another.  I doubt you even meant to be that offensive but, well, gosh.

I'll correct myself, I doubt you meant to be offensive all.

Watch the "politics" talk. Quite known that is no good in the forum. :)

Is it political talk to observe that associating gays in with rape, pedophelia and incest is icky?

pjz99 - simontemplar's post above could start talk that could get this thread locked.  The post is about the law passed regarding anime. My post was merely a warning to not let this thread go down hill. 

Ok, so this doesn't actually go off the rail: Ishihara is believed to use a scarecrow about rape/pedophilia matters into a tool to push a law that would giv his team a very wide angle of censorship on any matters he deems socially improper, even if they are not associated in any way to the matters which sprung the bill into life.

Once the bill becomes a very wide spectrum law withvery little boundaries, his party will bein position to hurt any media which would allow representation or evocation of lifestyles they despise.

Homophobia happens to be something Ishihara, for obscure personal reasons, hates more than anything on Earth, apart from women (and I quote) "too old to bear child".

Once he's got a very large mallet and nobody can stop him to use it on anybody he dislikes, it won't matter at all that it started with some anime or manga stuff.

I do not make these associations, nor believe they are justified in any way. Ishihara however, puts it all in the same bag. Which makes him well... not a nice person? At all?

So, nope. I did not mean to be offending, not more than I wanted to turn it into something strictly political. I am simply pointing out that someone already has.

Peace, friends :)

And I apologize if I gave anybody the false false impression that I was mixing together concepts  which are not related at all. I mean it, really.

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I do not see the connection between this law, which is similar to many other laws all over the planet, and homosexuals, regardless of the beliefs of the governor of Tokyo.  To go back to what the law is described as (assuming this translation/summary is trustworthy, and it seems to be):

Quote - Now the criteria will be expanded to include: “Any manga, animation, or pictures (but not including real life pictures or footage) that features either sexual or pseudo sexual acts that would be illegal in real life, or sexual or pseudo sexual acts between close relatives whose marriage would be illegal*, where such depictions and / or presentations unjustifiably glorify or exaggerate the activity.”

This is pretty specific language and I don't see how you're making the connection to an anti-gay agenda.  Is it illegal to be gay in Japan?  That's a serious question since there are mostly-obsolete anti-sodomy laws in the US.

Quote - Oh and, FightingWolf: the old issue of "you never know who's going to read this/view this and how they will react after that" is a somewhat worn-out concept. I have played countless first person shooters and have never shot anyone.

It's worn-out only because it's true.  In your statement. You are referring only to you and your mindset which you know very well. 

True and very personal experience: I used first person shooter games to teach leadership and teamwork for inner city youth of Baltimore City.  But there was one teen that was 13 years old who displayed anti-teamwork behavior by shooting his own team mates. I gave him only 2 chances to correct his behavior and he didn't. So I banned him from playing the game. He found enjoyment in shooting his own team mates which I took as a red flag of anti-social behavior and a deeper issue that he beyond the game.  So I banned him from playing the game solely because the game wasn't good for HIM and his development.

5 months laters. He was executed by his best friend, shot in the head in a community park. Why? Because he was stealing money from drug dealers so the drug dealer sent this teen's best friend to execute him. Irony, he died the same way he played the first person shoot, but instead of him shooting his own team mates, someone shot him.

My point is, while we can name those who do not already have mental instabilities and anti-social behaviors, we cannot name or point out those who do. If we could then we would be able to stop kids from shooting up schools.  It's because we can't point out the ones that shouldn't be viewing violent movies or violent games that we should really becareful of just how violent we make these things, because there are some people who will act it act.

I too have played countless first shooter games, but I also know that games like that aren't for everyone because not all of us have the morals or mental stability to know the difference between game and reality.  This is the same problem that we have when people start using "reality shows" as a map and guide for their own lives.

So while you can claim that the first person shooters had no effect on you. I could easily sit a teen or an adult in front of one and watch their behavior on the game and compare it to their behavior off the game and determine who is at risk of being affected negatively by the game.

"There is no Necronomicon of kidporn out there that turns people into molesters."

You wouldn't know if this statement is true or not unless you know a child molester that says differently.  So to say that one possibility exists while another doesn't would be wreckless.  What's that old saying " You reap what you sow"  To say that presentation of negative behavior has no effect at all on a person or group of people is to ignore the reality that everything that we do in life has an affect whether we know it or not.

"People don't need an excuse to be evil. All they need is circumstances, low values and very little intelligence can help too."  My point Exactly.

Circumstances: Games, Movies, Friends, and Images that reinforce negative behavior that is already there.

Low Values: There are people out there with low values the problems is we often don't know who these people are.

Very little intelligence: We have people that have that too.  But unfoturnately many people who do some of the most violent crimes are far from stupid, which is why they usually have more than one victim.  They were smart enough to plan and get maximum enjoyment all while staying under the radar.

Like I said I've spent almost 20 years in Youth development and the youth that I dealth with for most of that time weren't the best of society kids. Some eventually became so but only because I wasn't feeding them the negative images and behavior. My job was to show them that there is more to life and that the crappy neighborhood that they lived in wasn't the normal operation of things and people.

I just have a different perspective on this because I know from first hand experience that everything that we do be it good or bad will have a profound effect on someone. The only question is how much of a profound negative effect are we willing to bring on another?

Quote - I do not see the connection between this law, which is similar to many other laws all over the planet, and homosexuals, regardless of the beliefs of the governor of Tokyo. 

I'm also lost at with this as well unless the homosexual culture there is different from other places.  I don't know if they have a violent homosexual culture there or not but from all of the articles I read about the ordinance.  The debate seems to be solely centered on not having 100% freedom to publish any material that the artist wishes.

I personally don't like extremes and wouldn't want to see 100% freedom of anything since that would mean that there is 100% no restriction, and lets face it, if the traffic light didn't restrict movement of traffic then there would be alot deaths. If the law didn't restrict behaviors that are harmful to society then there would be chaos and misery and I think art should also have limitations, especially if the art is harmful to society.

The two most powerful things in the world are Art and Written words.  Both have inspired men and women to high achievements and to the lowes of human behavior. To think that either Writing or Art is weak and doesn't have any affect on humans would be to deny that religious books comfort, poser art, inspires others to buy poser, and Anime and Manga inspires people too dress up at Comic Con as their favorite character. ha ha ha.

Quote - I still don't see the automatic association between gays ... and rape

Prison, definately prison.