oh thanks patorak3d, think we crossed posts,

the dress is now short sleeved and smoothed abit more, i'm still experimenting with dials but it looks better :)  I wont be going at this like a bull in a china shop as i wont have any hair left by the end of the process, need to keep calm lol

Tools:- Win10, Dell XPS8900, ZBrush, Marvelous Designer 11, Hex 2, PSP8. PSP 2019 Ultimate, DAZ Studio, Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer, Filterforge 11, flowscape,  Classic UVMapper, and several headache tablets.