::passing Gramma a couple extra letters she can use anytime...then ducking because I called her Gramma again:: ;) I think this'll work great, Mike! To depict a dinner scene need not include people, but if someone wants to have people in their scene but don't have Poser, models of people can be found in various places around the web (freeware), such as: http://www.3dcafe.com http://www.3dup.com http://www.klicker.de/e_mod.htm And, I think we should go with Sharen's idea and make the prize a million dollars. grin