Thanks theFOG, I had been to that site the other day looking for pictures of the sign. But I didn't notice the map, I think it may help me, but I've still got a lot to figure out with this project. I'm not quite sure which DEM Quad it is though, I'm going to have to go to a bookstore most likely and look at a Topo Atlas of California, I can't fond it for free on the net. The one I found at the Data Depot is unreadable and it doesn't really help me. Thanks for the help. kaom