P4 Male clothing won't fit Michael. Victoria 2 from Daz includes Vicki2P4 - in other words, a Victoria-based model that will take P4 female clothing. I'm basically only a hobbyist with Poser and the cost of both Victoria and Mike did make me hesitate. All you get is the models and CR2. No textures, no hair, no clothing...you have to obtain all those separately. But, believe me, they're worth every penny. I never use the P4 male any more, and only occasionally use Posette. The range of things you can do with the Daz models, the sheer versatility especially of Vicky 2 is stunning if all you're used to is the P4 models. What is different? Everything, almost. There are loads more morphs and dials, the models are more realistic and can be moved and posed in many different ways. The P4 characters, no matter how hard you work on them, will always retain the same look: body shape, face and so on. There are things about Mike and Vicky you can't change, but so much more you can. Just look at the different characters you find in the Poser gallery here. The additional cost need not be great (if you can resist the temptation of the marketplace, that is). There are plenty of free textures out there for Vicky, fewer for Mike, but they are there. Kozaburo's hair is free (incredible quality) and easy to scale for Victoria if it's not made for her, and a couple of his styles look good on Mike, too, with a little work. yours Eirian.