@lesbentley: Spot on about the rotations. I wasn't thinking straight.

I feel the same as you about WW support. I would sleep better if we could just ditch it, but since many people seem to be very determined about it, I guess we should at least give it a try.

Of course there is another aspect to it: the current naming of the hip and hip2 actors just makes no sense whatsoever. Renaming them to waist and hip, respectively, is the logical thing to do, and the only good reason for not doing so (the fact that incompatible changes right after a major release are usually a big no-no notwithstanding) is compatibility with poses made for other figures. That in my eye is not a very strong argument.

I guess I've never thought to change the original actor names because I trusted that Mike had some good reason for naming them the way he did and feared that somehow Poser would break horribly if the hip were a child of another 'real' actor (meaning one with a geometry).

-- I'm not mad at you, just Westphalian.