stu-art, pay very close attention here. I'm sure you and your friends are very nice people, wonderful in fact. But that's not going to save you. Do you understand me? Its very simple really, and you should think of this the next time you find yourself slacking off, drifting away, or finding some other excuse to not finish your work. Simply put, if you do not finish these projects by the next time we talk The Renderosity Hardcore Hooligans are going to come by and practice various anatomical correspondances between you, your friends, and your respective computers... Are we reaching an understanding here? Good. TomD