I have noticed that quite a few scenes are actually all Poser rendered in Vue. I was wondering why this is done. If I set a scene up that is all poser props etc, why not just render it in Poser? THanks

as far as im aware, its due to vues renderer being somewhat more advanced/better options/better lighting etc etc

I use poser a bit too, but havent really got to grips with the lighting system, it seems fairly limited IMO.

Yeah, lighting in Poser is sooo bad! Placing lights takes ages, no diffuse/specular only lights, and no skinVue...

As others have said already, Vue's lighting capabilities are far, far superior to Poser, not to mention water, you just don't get decent, real looking water in Poser, whereas Vue does water brilliantly.

The material editor is also more complex in Vue, the stuff you can do once you start playing with stuff in the function editor is staggering.

I used to think Poser was THE app for everything, that went as soon as I started using my first version of Vue which was 5 Esprit I think.

Poser blows goats by comparison, that's why! :P

This is a work in progress, based largely on Faveral's great "Medieval Docks" form DAZ

http://www.silverblades-suitcase.com/sj/various/tradesmans_docks12.jpg

I've vastly improved the materials in Vue using multilayers of procedurals for grime, slime etc.
Here's original item form DAZ
http://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/-/medieval-docks?item=11545&_m=d

Lighting and water trashes Poser by miles etc etc

Now, I;m not saying beautiful work cannot be done with Poser, but basically it's only much cop for portraiture which isn't much use for most of my work
Poser has a vast library of great content, that and it's easy to use posing system for setting up people/creatures is all I care about.

:)

Nice work my friend, is that Conwy castle in the background? Looks like it..

Beautiful work, Silverblade! I guess I still have not learned Vue lighting yet.

The reason for something outside Poser is that nearly every renderer is better than Firefly; there is a thread in Poser forum about experiments using LuxRender and they look just great (a lady without... clothes and glowing nostrils :biggrin:).

If you add to the equation Blender as an intermediate step, you can go from Poser to LuxRender or YafARay or POV-Ray 3.7 for the free items and several commercial engines.

I would like Vue 10 to have such out-of-the-box export options: they are useless for external scenes where you need plants but would be godsent for interiors.

Fixer

cheers mate! :)

it's this castle bud: http://www.cornucopia3d.com/purchase.php?item_id=8366 say sit's based on "Rhudlan Castle" :)

hm need ot buy conway castle one day as i'ts got full ramp and bailey entrance :)

Drifterlee,
Cheers! :)
oh heck lighting's essential, but takes ages to get decent at, IMHO and I'mstill trying, lolbangs head on wall! :P Can totally ruin a scene, or make it and you often realize later it's not good enough etc. Sigh.
Si I recommend testing out LOTS of atmospheres/light rigs before final render.

I muck around with lighting constantly in scenes 'til I get somehting I hope looks good. Can never have too many atmospherees to test, or start from. That scene started out as one preset atmosphere but got totally changed!
It's the "PINK EVENING V2" atmosphere from Sunset3 collection (which I think is a defualt collection in Infinite?)

also, of course, nothing to stop you doing final versions with DIFFERENT light/atmosphere set ups! ;)

See my tutorial on lighting, and of course, GeekAtplay's and other folks :)

I'm just 5 miles from Conwy and about 12 from Rhuddlan. Rhuddlan Castle is very important in Welsh history, our Prince was double crossed there by the English when signing a peace treaty..

Quote - I'm just 5 miles from Conwy and about 12 from Rhuddlan. Rhuddlan Castle is very important in Welsh history, our Prince was double crossed there by the English when signing a peace treaty..

Yup, typical ain't it? ;)
though to be honest with us Scots it was us Scots who did most of the betraying and ratbastardy, not the English, we should have guillotined all our nobles along with the French way back, sigh.

Hey, what was that about the French, Steven? (my neck is already aching....)

Bruno,

lol! ;)
Hey don't feel too bad mate! The "Auld Alliance" and all that :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324390/The-hero-kilt-tackled-Panzer-division--accepted-surrender-23-000-German-soldiers.html

Wow! He won the war on his own!

It's all been said more or less, about Poser/Vue rendering. I've managed to get a great (IMHO) lighting setup for Poser 7, but it took really, really long to get it right. Positioning a light source in Poser is an inspration killer! I've seen some great examples with Poser 8 IDL, but Vue does this better still, and is probably much easier to set up.

Poser 7 render (nudity):
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2132466

• some of you have commented/seen it.

hm need ot buy conway castle one day as i'ts got full ramp and bailey entrance :)

Knock yerself out! We have loads of them in Wales and they all need to go. You should be able to pick this one up for a couple of mill or so. :lol:

Gwyn? Peace treaty doesn't give the whole picture. Owain Glyndŵr was a terrorist. All we wanted was for him to pay his speeding tickets.....but nooooooo. He had to go and pick a fight. ;-)

And just don't get me started about the Scots.................

Ummm, your grasp of Welsh history isn't what it should be Bryster?? The situation I was talking about was Llywelyn the last not Owain Glyndwr who came into the mix later on.

Wasn't he the guy who tried to stop Welsh water being sent to Birmingham?

I have a related Poser/Vue question, so figured Id post here.

I am trying to get my renders to look better or at the very least match my poser renders, but i just cant figure it out.  I used skin vue and render settings from silverblades tutorial, as well as a global radiosity atmosphere, 3 point lighting and raytraced shadows.  Below is the Vue render which took over an hour to render and the Poser one that took ten minutes.  Poser is the white background.  Help please :)

vue:
http://img411.imageshack.us/i/tigress2vueface.jpg/

poser:

http://img228.imageshack.us/i/tigressfaceshackimg.jpg/

Well for starters you have a load of background stuff in the Vue render that will affect the light falling on your character, you need to compensate for that. Vue's lighting is one of the most realistic out there, that's why Companies like ILM use it.

Im quite noob with vue, whats the best way to compensate, increase the sun's power?  Or my fill/rim lights power?  What power level would you suggest?  Thanks. :)

Hi, It's not as simple as suggesting something, each scene is different and needs different solutions to lighting.

Personally I select or make my atmosphere first dependant on whether it's an outsoor scene or an indoor scene, I'll then add lights as I think is needed and sometimes I'll even switch them off if their not right, it's a constant tweaking process until I think it looks right, even then I might think it looks crap once I've posted it..

All I can suggest is experimenting and maybe looking at some tutes, but for me tutes don't do it, I learn more from experimenting. You'll find a lot in my gallery where I comment that it's a light test..

1. is each light set to have soft shedow3 degrees or more, and shadow amount to 80% or so?

2. Hair material needs more work, it's too flat, does it have the highlight type set to the  far right of anisotropic slider?

3. Render settings need tweaked make sure you do NOT have "use shadow map" on, here's settings I'm using currently, slow, but good, oh and of course, adjust the image size otyour needs as I'm doing widescreen ratio renders
   :)

Bryster

Quote - Wasn't he the guy who tried to stop Welsh water being sent to Birmingham?

Irish have been selling you lot burned water and calling it beer for ages, and we've been convincing you whacking a ball around sand dunes is high class and we get PAID for the privilege of laughing at you...ah, the Celtic revenge ;)

oh, The Welsh have been peeing in your water, by the way for over a century :P

oh, The Welsh have been peeing in your water, by the way for over a century

Since the 60's anyway my friend LOL

Tryweryn Welsh speaking Families forcibly evicted by the English to drown the valley for water for Liverpool and Birmingham, a disgraceful episode in history.

Cofiwch Dryweryn..

Ymlaen.

White
27%
60%
I set anti to 100% like you suggested above was 65% before

bump depth .001
flatten 50% filter on bump map

I removed her from the scene and put her in a new scene with the same atmosphere, only the sun on her no other lights and set the softness on the sun to 5.

I also changed her skins bump map in skin vue to .008 from .002 original.

I then rendered using the new settings - 40 minutes - ouch - for this actual size attached pic.

I think the hair looks more plastic now, the skin looks a little better and the eyes too but when I look back at the poser render it makes me cringe at how much better that one is in a 10 minute render.  Show me the light guys Im really out of it xD

Umm how do I attach more than one image >.>

Thanks,

Z

Back in the day poser was an app built for one purpose only and that was to pose human type figures to then be imported into another application for rendering. Over the years Poser has been pushed away from its original purpose. From the time I first layed my hands on Vue I dumped Poser for doing any of my final rendering. The lighting in poser is terrible and never seems to really get better. Vue is a more powerful and for me easier to use when it comes to lighting things and the over all look of my final renders.

A Vue scene is 50% lighting, 25% modeling, 25% materials.  Now if you can bump up your materials a bit more, then you'll see a difference being made.  Skin is a trick to do well.

I would just use one light.  The Sun.  With a realistic outdoor scene and GR lighting.  The only kind of lighting I use.

Thank you, one light source definitely made it look better.  I also used just one of the hair tutorials instead of both, seems like using both settings made things more unrealistic.  I'm still tweaking but I'll post results later.  What bump setting would you recommend for skin vue skin?  I have it at .002 above, but now at .008 it looks a tiny bit better. 

The bump value depends a lot on the brightness of the bump image and the height of your figure.  So there is no perfect answer.  Only just what looks good.

vue makes it possible to make returned with lightings of superior quality has to poser, me even I started has to make returned with poser, but I quickly realized of the limits to poser. to pose is excellent for the production, and vue is super for the light, and the quality of returned.

Yes.  Vue is great for outdoor GR lit scenes.  Especially now with more gamma control.  And you can grow plants for your Poser people to stare at blankingly.

As the others said, use just the Sun for outdoor scenes, but make the atmosphere GR and add a reflector (of whatever color you'd like) in front of your character, so they'll get a bit of illumination from underneath to compensate for the hard shadows. Adjust size for more or less compensation :)

Hope it helps :D