Thanks for all your help you've all been great, this really is a fantastic site. It seems that only the very expensive apps are available for macs (expletive!) I've been messing around with amorphium 4. (The free one) but I can't get a close enough view to do any delicate modifications, like changing lip shape, without resizing which I've read you musn't do! Poser models come out really tiny! (from poser2, I'm saving up for 4!) Thanks again, Atrice