Thanks for all that advice. I won't be going to his house to try anything until tomorrow, but I'll follow some of your suggestions. And maybe I'll show him this thread too. If I"ve told him once I've told him 100 time to get an antivirus. Told him about a year to get it for his last computer. Maybe seeing all of you saying he needs it and that he needs to update and run it he'll get the message. Otherwise I might have to "forget" again how to do any maintanance. (he kept asking me to change things and then complain because it was different. "Gee, Dad, sorry I can't put an icon in your desktop. I don't know where your desktop is.")

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