Okay, you've cleared up most of my concerns. I've actually made some simple figures with the phi method before, so I understand phi's pretty okay. I was trying to learn this heirarchy way of doing it to see which I prefer. I've NEVER made a conformer yet. This will be my first attempt. (Yeah, I know it's a figure. ;o)) Thank you so much. You've cleared up what was meant in the tutorial. It's a great tutorial I'm following, but it assumes you know things that I don't necessarily know. I'll often know what a thing is and what it does, but not what it's called or the term for it. It helps to know such things and you've helped me greatly. Thanks again.