Yeah so am I, I played around with the Eureka script for a bit before I crashed, and will have to work on it to get that effect down, what I am looking for is to have a tapestry on a wall, framed in West Park, and to have V4's hand basically claw the tapestry from the not seen side without poke through, then have the outshape of her face through the tapestry, everything goes back to normal, and the framed tapestry falls. Figured it would be a nice intermediate project to work on to learn this program. Again thanks very much it shall be of help in this, just have to figure it out to get it the way I want it.