Quote - I see (as you said) shoulders that look absolutely normal: we just did away with hours of jcm work with a simple sim.

Indeed. I hated the shoulders on M3 and M4 until Corvas created his morphs. Then I could render Mike in sleevless tops, topless, nude, or in bulky armor. But the regular shirts just looked terrible. So he still rarely got used. Likewise, I hardly ever rendered Vicki in a dress, especially not a long one, and certainly not if she was sitting. No wonder she has so much skimpy clothing -- it's the only way she can take a load off her tired feet.

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PoserPro 2014, PS CS5.5 Ext, Nikon D300. Win 8, i7-4770 @ 3.4 GHz, AMD Radeon 8570, 12 GB RAM.