Quote - > Quote - I see (as you said) shoulders that look absolutely normal: we just did away with hours of jcm work with a simple sim.

Indeed. I hated the shoulders on M3 and M4 until Corvas created his morphs. Then I could render Mike in sleeveless tops, topless, nude, or in bulky armor. But the regular shirts just looked terrible. So he still rarely got used. Likewise, I hardly ever rendered Vicki in a dress, especially not a long one, and certainly not if she was sitting. No wonder she has so much skimpy clothing -- it's the only way she can take a load off her tired feet.

Exactly right, Moriador! Ya gotta feel for the poor girl, particularly in the winter. Here is where I really want to do a lot of playing: skirts and sitting. Just finishing a render on a dress... the lighting isn't the best, which makes issues look a little less obvious. OOps, forgot to collide with the floor :blink: - oh well, you'll get the idea! :woot:

Monterey/Mint21.x/Win10 - Blender3.x - PP11.3(cm) - Musescore3.6.2

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