Whoops I posted the wrong image for the above post here is the image that was meant to go with it. Mark it's amazing what being tired can make a person do. I was adjusting the tiling in the bump and other channels but not the color channel. I hadn't noticed the triangle for the color channel. DUH! I think I got it working.but now I've notice something else what am i doing wrong. I'm doing exactly what you said, and I'm making sure of it. But this is wierd and I don't understand it. Your expertise is needed once again. kaom