Ah, I see now what a later posting was refering too, bugger! Oh well, "all good things must come to an end" I guess. Thorne's Nikki was the first model I ever bought, when it was on sale here, and I was hoping that some day I'd be able to aquire the rest of her extended "family" it been a really crap day today, Tivoli is being a complete git, but it's Monday, so, no change there... :) But you go and stick your nose in "the sims" for a week and this is what happens. Bum! Good luck to you Thorne, I hope you and yours live a happier and quieter life for it, though those of who can't (build characters) will always dream of your return, hopefully once the religious right is put out of it's misery by one scandal too many... "live long and prosper" :) later jb