Firstyou may want to try to chainize my boots Try the "Posable Thigh Boots" the mesh is less dense in teh knees which should give a better result. (Open them in poser, use magnets and scaling to get them to the shape you may want and then export them, or I can mail you the meshes) What's the trick? if I knew how maybe I could come up with an idea. Also I could "chainize" a few things of my own. Hmmm a chainmail catsuit... "Phil" Hokusai