To be fair to all concerned ... The major Poser users here ARE hobbiests and they admit it. So ... we arein't refering to them in this respect, this thread.

But to be real, you have to understand how CGS is set up.  There are 3d forums, 2d forums, illustration .... figure drawing .... all sorts of subcategories.  WITHIN each catagory there are pre-conseptions as to how a project is approached and sometimes it does get a bit elitist.

Now also realize that CGS IS a commercial site too ... they control Balistic Books and numerous tutorials on 3d disign. They do cater to users who eather are a part of the major industry companies (i.e. Pixar, ILM, Disney ... ) or aspire to such positions.  These people primarily use the higher end products or pre-priatory products designed in-house. As I said earlier, even the 2d forums have higher standards.  No tracing (you use the traditional grid system, they would not approve of Vemeer's camera-obscurer or James Bama's slide projector (yes he used that for his works, he told me personally in a discussion similar to this but refering to traditional art rather than digital) This just exemplifies that Poser isn't the only thing targeted. In 2d paintings ... they want proof that it isn't just a Photoshop trace and filter piece.

Please remember that Steven Stahlberg admits to using Poser as a tool and dismisses the contriversy and trivial (implying as said before more people there use it and won't admit it as it isn't obvious in the finished render.)  He isn't the only one, I'm sure.

We have to own our failings as it were to in that how many NVIATWAS variations we DO have and that to the professional market sort of devalues the work here, (By thier "standards")  Like the images as many of us do, it's a fact. Second point here is that many use "canned" figures, poses, sets, props, cameras and lights ... that's what is sold here, it's encouraged. It pays the store. This is not a criticism ... it's how we do our pieces for the most part here. We have a wonderful affection for this one artistic tool.  This is what puts us in the "hobbiest" catagory.

another point is ... there is always hypcracy ... We could argue that there are premade human, animal and prop models (free and purchased) in many of the works at CGS to get the scene that they want.  They don't design their own architacture, sky, atmosphere or vegetation and landscapes in Vue for the most part, yet that isn't criticized.  The same goes for Maya (et el) to a much lesser degree, since many create and design thier own content there ... I'm sure there are purhcased/freebie items added as well. I could go on, but you get my point.  There are purists there and here who see the whole picture from the other's point of view.  It's all in one's personal perspective (ironic since we are taling about 3d here).

Let's not just fight and argue every year over this issue.  It is.  It has it's views and we could just shrug and enjoy what we do. 

:)

Boni

 

Boni

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