now now.. Sharon, you won that tractor race, you did, you did.. you told me that yourself! Lovely church! I am terribly slow and will have to get busy here with some things. I have been poking around - and your Mike is sure a whiz with AutoCad. I get lost frequently in 3d. Finally did get the durn bubbler done, but haven't done the map for the label.. you wanna map this thing for me Sharon?