Yes, sketch render-its one setting I saved from another image I did quite awhile ago. I just wanted to try something different-my cow texture w/o bump map looks kind of plastic even changing the reflection color, etc. I hadn't played with the sketch render for awhile and since this was just a 'quick pic', I thought I'd embellish it just a little-VBG. I really need to leave this forum and -go-to-work!!! picnic