But it doesn't really matter in this instance because this place is just a shop. Renderosity is more than a shop, but those that don't ever leave their bitching in the forums long enough to explore other avenues of the site probably don't see that. If this were just a shop, there wouldn't be forums, chats, art galleries, and the sense of community that surrounds this place. It would just be like Daz, a place to browse and hit checkout. Even so, no community oriented site on the net (or in real life either) can survive without funding. The store provides that funding and I commend the Renderosity administrators for keeping the site afloat in the midst of the dot-com shakeout by looking beyond non-working banner ads, etc. This site is costly to run, and we can't expect the admins to pay for that out of the goodness of their hearts so we can have a perfect site void of all monetary concerns. Thinking that this could be such a place is pure fantasy...