YouTube video DAZ just posted showing their beta CR2 exporter for getting Genesis into Poser 9.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDYEvSb7jQs

Wiki documentation - CR2 Exporter Tutorial

[Link]

The original DAZ thread:

http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=175224

edited by JenX to fix page stretch

Well, the tone is more conciliatory than in the past.  They make it sound like seamless Genesis use in Poser is in the future.  Knowing DAZ, this may be very, very far in the future, but still.

So now there is no obstacle for DAZ people to do some exports, package the lot into a standalone installer, write some notes and then release the thing as a product, right?

Quote - So now there is no obstacle for DAZ people to do some exports, package the lot into a standalone installer, write some notes and then release the thing as a product, right?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!:lol:

After seeing the video I wonder even more why they don't bring out a CR2 version.

All settings in the exporter are pretty much fixed except for the UV mapping - and they could have restricted that to the new figures.

The clothing issue is still open in the air. The discussions with SM will probably deal with the smoothing feature which has to translate to autoscale/automorph in Poser. And that might be a very challenging thing to do. And then you probably will have to convert your entire library of clothing through DS4 to get them to fit again in Poser for the new figure.

So no Genesis/V5 for me in the foreseeable future

Quote - So now there is no obstacle for DAZ people to do some exports, package the lot into a standalone installer, write some notes and then release the thing as a product, right?

And which morphs will go in this package? Also which UVs will go with that installer (M4,V4,K4,Anubis,V5,Troll,Genesis Male,etc). And for new updates, how will those CR2s be updated and packaged up for each new sets of morphs and UVs?

So the answer is no.

I wouldn't see the morphs being an obstacle to a cr2 version, as it's just a morph and a weight map to be added, but the UVs are problematic...

Quote - > Quote - So now there is no obstacle for DAZ people to do some exports, package the lot into a standalone installer, write some notes and then release the thing as a product, right?

And which morphs will go in this package? Also which UVs will go with that installer (M4,V4,K4,Anubis,V5,Troll,Genesis Male,etc). And for new updates, how will those CR2s be updated and packaged up for each new sets of morphs and UVs?

So the answer is no.

same way as you would for DS. you don't actually need the whole program to convert it over you know.. renderer? not needed. library? not needed. GUI? only to look pretty....

All I could think about when he was navigating his folders is man, is that unorganized.

To be honest, I think it's going to depend on how the figure bends, and renders. I really wonder how this is going to work considering how the DAZ Sub-Dragon (if people still remember that) didn't work so well in Poser.

I'm personally not looking forward to buying a bunch of morphs that are not on sale at a significant discount. I'm guessing it will be what, at least $50 to get basic morphs so the the figure is usable (unless you want to just use the standard morph for everything)?

Quote - So the answer is no.

The question was meant to check whether an idea I had when watching the video was right.

Test passed, with full marks.

Silent, evil smile.

Quote - > Quote - So the answer is no.

The question was meant to check whether an idea I had when watching the video was right.

Test passed, with full marks.

Silent, evil smile.

Actually I think over time you're going to have less and less to gripe about. Genesis is now in poser and it looks like SM and DAZ are meeting about getting other issues ironed out. So if I were you, I would probably tone it down, because people are going to look back at these threads one day and have nothing but raised eyebrows at some of these comments.

tone what down? c;mon, if you think that was bad, then how do you deal with ppl in the street?

that wasn't even close to bad. lets have some common sense huh?

To be honest, I'm actually surprised and impressed that DAZ got it working so fast. Of course, it still leaves me out in the cold, since you still have to use DS4 to use the exporter, and I can't.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - So the answer is no.

The question was meant to check whether an idea I had when watching the video was right.

Test passed, with full marks.

Silent, evil smile.

Actually I think over time you're going to have less and less to gripe about. Genesis is now in poser and it looks like SM and DAZ are meeting about getting other issues ironed out. So if I were you, I would probably tone it down, because people are going to look back at these threads one day and have nothing but raised eyebrows at some of these comments.

Sorry, but you and your DAZ Bully buddies do DAZ no favors by coming into the POSER forum of another vendor and brow beat THEIR customers.

Just because DAZ won't let you play Bully at THEIR forums anymore doesn't give you license to do it everywhere else.

Some of us truly don't CARE what DAZ does.  They made their choice to split this industry in two, now you folks are just gonna have to live with it.

Quote - To be honest, I'm actually surprised and impressed that DAZ got it working so fast. Of course, it still leaves me out in the cold, since you still have to use DS4 to use the exporter, and I can't.

ROFL, why are we giving them credit for an unreleased, untested "product?"  This is DAZ we're talking about.  How many products have they promised and never released?

""To be honest, I'm actually surprised and impressed that DAZ got it working so fast. Of course, it still leaves me out in the cold, since you still have to use DS4 to use the exporter, and I can't.""

You are not "left out in the cold"
Smith Micro has provided you with the Holy Grail of
poserdom... "weight mapping"
is this not what the poser base has demanded for years?? ..BETTER joint bending??
So now you can use Alyson& Ryan and Antonia etc with this new magic feature and
you also have true SSS for firefly
so it time to forget about what DAZ is doing
poser pro 2012/9 is the most feature rich release siince Poser6
Be happy!

Cheers

Quote - ""To be honest, I'm actually surprised and impressed that DAZ got it working so fast. Of course, it still leaves me out in the cold, since you still have to use DS4 to use the exporter, and I can't.""

You are not "left out in the cold"
Smith Micro has provided you with the Holy Grail of
poserdom... "weight mapping"
is this not what the poser base has demanded for years?? ..BETTER joint bending??
So now you can use Alyson& Ryan and Antonia etc with this new magic feature and
you also have true SSS for firefly
so it time to forget about what DAZ is doing
poser pro 2012/9 is the most feature rich release siince Poser6
Be happy!

Actually, wolf, I AM happy! Obviously, I was referring to being able to use Genesis. But in any event, I plan on using DAZ figures a little less and other figures a little more. That actually includes V4, weightmapped or not. That excludes her use in my webcomic, btw, where the main characters have been established.

BTW, I never knew what weightmapping was until the last six months or so, so I haven't demanded it from either DAZ or SM.

lmk

Quote -
Actually I think over time you're going to have less and less to gripe about.

I love the idealism, but... I wouldn't hold my breath.

Quote - So if I were you, I would probably tone it down, because people are going to look back at these threads one day and have nothing but raised eyebrows at some of these comments.

Umm, I think you're expecting too much.

Here's - let's do a slight recap...

First, this particular gang was like: "OAMG I'll never use that piece of crap mesh because I can't ever hope to use it in Poser, because DAZ is an evil company that clubs baby seals, injects breast cancer cells into unsuspecting women, and spends their weekends burning crosses during Neo-Nazi necrophilic orgies! SCHISM HAS ARRIVED!"

Then they were like: "OAMG I'll never use that piece of crap mesh because yeah there's a rumored Poser version but it won't support my v4 merchie workflow, and there's no exporter that lets me send the results to Poser because DAZ is an evil company that rapes children, was responsible for Pol Pot, and shoplifts at Goodwill! SCHISM HAS ARRIVED!"**

And then they were like: "OAMG I'll never use that piece of crap mesh because they might have an exporter going, but it'll cost millions and millions of quatloos and you'll never afford it because DAZ is an evil greedy company that eats babies, votes Republican, and replaced your grandma's embalming fluid at the morgue with their own urine! SCHISM HAS ARRIVED!"

Now they're like: "OAMG I'll never use that piece of crap mesh because the cr2 exporter to Poser is gonna be free and stuff, but it means opening DS4 to do it because DAZ is an evil company that spits in baptismal fonts, requires its employees to have swastika tattoos on their left butt cheeks, and goes down to the local battered women's shelter to pimp-slap the residents for fun! SCHISM HAS... umm, it's still arrived, I swear it!"

Next, they'll be like: "OAMG I'll never use that piece of crap mesh because the exporter doesn't automatically export the JigglyBoob5000(tm) clothing morph I made for it to sell in the marketplace, because DAZ is an evil company that funds Mitt Romney, engineered the Wall Street bailouts, and forces homeless people to pierce their own genitals with rusty nails! Schism is still, umm... look - it's around here somewhere, okay!?"

Long story short? There's a pattern here, and it ain't got nothing to do with the Genesis mesh, exporters, or even DS4.

(You'd need a 55-gallon drum or four to hold all the bile, for starters.)

/P

** for the trivia-minded, in Utah they actually have a LDS-version of Goodwill. It's called Deseret Industries. A great place if you need a breadmaker but don't feel like buying one new. They have something like 40 quintillion of those things...

Quote - So if I were you, I would probably tone it down, because people are going to look back at these threads one day and have nothing but raised eyebrows at some of these comments.

...Time will tell, time will tell.

(uttered with Horatio Caine's now-it's-personal look and voice tone).

YEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

"You know the problem with "Holy Grails" once you get them, the question always arises, "What Next?**"

"Sometimes "having" is not so pleasing a thing as "wanting"
it is not logical

but it is often true"

-Spock,-
"Amok Time"

Cheers

Quote - You know the problem with "Holy Grails" once you get them, the question always arises, "What Next?"

lmk

Why, Jiggly Boobs of course! 

Quote - Long story short? There's a pattern here, and it ain't got nothing to do with the Genesis mesh, exporters, or even DS4.

Nonsense

Nothing has changed since Genesis was introduced. DAZ has gone its own way and tries keep peace with part of its customers by promising a tool to use it in Poser.

The tool (DS4 and exporter) is required and delivers a low polygon version of the new figure. For each clothing item you want to use with the new figure (as far as we know now) you have to fire up DS4 again and exported it as a new CR2. And as far as I can tell you need to purchase the autofit tool to be able to use V4 clothing with the new figure.

This is not - as a Poser user - something I want to invest time and money in

Why is so much emphazis is placed on figures. It is the CLOTH that needs better joint bending. Complaining about some little fault at the V4 shoulders seen from behind ;), what nit-picking! Good grief..

All the while while the cloth behaves likes something the cat brought in. Talk about sense of proportions..

Poser 2012 delivers. One mouseclick and you have cloth that bends 100% better, that is what I call a knife. Works with all old figures, not only Allison and Ryan.

Even if Daz Genesis characters are one million times better, if they can't be used for making cloth inside Poser in the Poser Pro 2012 fashion, they will be of no practical importance; =irrelevant.

Quote - > Quote - Long story short? There's a pattern here, and it ain't got nothing to do with the Genesis mesh, exporters, or even DS4.

Nonsense

Would it help if I told you that I wasn't mentioning a single technical, mesh, or software aspect when I wrote that? 

Quote - DAZ has gone its own way and tries keep peace with part of its customers by promising a tool to use it in Poser.

To which I answer... so what? As has been so eloquently belabored beyond belief in numerous places (mostly by Mr. Wolf), but shall be posited yet again here: 

I have to have 3DS Max installed to open a .max file, no matter how you try to slice it, even if I want to convert the damned thing to .3ds, .fbx, or whatever for use in another app. Does that make Autodesk a back of evil bastards out to screw me over?

Quote -  For each clothing item you want to use with the new figure (as far as we know now) you have to fire up DS4 again and exported it as a new CR2.

You mean like I have to do right now with every neat-o .max file I ever wanted to use, right? The funny part is, you've also admitted right there that you're basing your opinion on... a supposition. An assumption. 

Quote - This is not - as a Poser user - something I want to invest time and money in 

I'm doubting that "money" even enters into the equation for a free application, but the time part I can grant you. 

As for me, the potential workflow will go D|S -> exporter -> Poser (for final tweaks and render). If it works without borking scaling (and the smoothing thing works as desired), then I'm all set, and couldn't give two craps about the rest. If the clothing doesn't convert over properly, I'll just do what I've done since the dawn of time: morph it on the spot or push its polys in a modeling app and save the results as a morph.

Personally, if inclined and sufficiently motivated, I'll just write what I need software-wise if I need anything beyond that shrug.

Quote - I have to have 3DS Max installed to open a .max file, no matter how you try to slice it, even if I want to convert the damned thing to .3ds, .fbx, or whatever for use in another app. Does that make Autodesk a back of evil bastards out to screw me over?

Would you pay for a .max file if you didn't have 3dsMax? :-)

Quote - > Quote - I have to have 3DS Max installed to open a .max file, no matter how you try to slice it, even if I want to convert the damned thing to .3ds, .fbx, or whatever for use in another app. Does that make Autodesk a back of evil bastards out to screw me over?

Would you pay for a .max file if you didn't have 3dsMax? :-)

There's some holes you got there that need plugged. If I may...

• Genesis base figure is free, and there will very likely be freebie clothing for it.

• Archibase is full to the rafters with free .max content.

As for the answer to your question? It depends.

If I had a high-budget project that needed that file to open (say a contracted bit was delivered in only that format), then hell yes I would, and eat the cost of 3DS Max to boot.  

If I was just farting around on a hobbyist project, then the answer would depend on whether it fit into the workflow, which is easy enough to test with a usable (and likely DAZ-provided) freebie item first. If it didn't work, then I'd wait until something came along that did, or change solutions (and/or workflow) until I found something that did.

You see, not everyone is viewing this from the merchie angle.

Let me show you what it looks like from the other side of the transaction:  Some of us just want results, and don't particularly care how we get them. This means that whoever among you can cough up those results up, gets the money. The rest of you can complain all you want, because quite frankly, we (the consumerate) simply do not care. 

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Long story short? There's a pattern here, and it ain't got nothing to do with the Genesis mesh, exporters, or even DS4.

Nonsense

 

Would it help if I told you that I wasn't mentioning a single technical, mesh, or software aspect when I wrote that? 

Quote - DAZ has gone its own way and tries keep peace with part of its customers by promising a tool to use it in Poser.

To which I answer... so what? As has been so eloquently belabored beyond belief in numerous places (mostly by Mr. Wolf), but shall be posited yet again here: 

I have to have 3DS Max installed to open a .max file, no matter how you try to slice it, even if I want to convert the damned thing to .3ds, .fbx, or whatever for use in another app. Does that make Autodesk a back of evil bastards out to screw me over?

Quote -  For each clothing item you want to use with the new figure (as far as we know now) you have to fire up DS4 again and exported it as a new CR2.

You mean like I have to do right now with every neat-o .max file I ever wanted to use, right? The funny part is, you've also admitted right there that you're basing your opinion on... a supposition. An assumption. 

 

Quote - This is not - as a Poser user - something I want to invest time and money in 

I'm doubting that "money" even enters into the equation for a free application, but the time part I can grant you. 

As for me, the potential workflow will go D|S -> exporter -> Poser (for final tweaks and render). If it works without borking scaling (and the smoothing thing works as desired), then I'm all set, and couldn't give two craps about the rest. If the clothing doesn't convert over properly, I'll just do what I've done since the dawn of time: morph it on the spot or push its polys in a modeling app and save the results as a morph.

Personally, if inclined and sufficiently motivated, I'll just write what I need software-wise if I need anything beyond that shrug.

 

First of all - DAZ has not said anything about the clothing issue. It is a logical assumption of what HAS been said that to convert V4 clothing you need the autofit tool which only runs in DS4. And to use Genesis clothing you need DS4 to convert DS4's format to something Poser can read (CR2).  Unless things change - of which there is no mention anywhere - my assumption is valid and not mere specuiation.

I use Poser exclusively - I do not use it as tool for Vue, MAX, Carrara, C4D or LUX. I am perfectly happy with composing, editing, morphing and rendering in Poser. Adding another tool is not something I want to do, so no V5 for me.

And there definitely is money involved: V5, the morph sets, V5 clothing and possibly the autofit tool do not come for free and are needed to get anything out of V5.

And have you noticed I have not made any negative remarks regarding DAZ?

"Sorry, but you and your DAZ Bully buddies do DAZ no favors by coming into the POSER forum of another vendor and brow beat THEIR customers."

Translation: Someone who does not think DAZ Studio and Genesis are complete crap had damn well better keep their mouth shut in this forum.

"Just because DAZ won't let you play Bully at THEIR forums anymore doesn't give you license to do it everywhere else."

Translation: I'm not allowed to bash DAZ on their forum anymore, so no one better come in here saying ANYTHING that isn't 100% pro Poser/Antonia.

News flash, stating a different opinion or even disagreeing is not bullying.

"Long story short? There's a pattern here, and it ain't got nothing to do with the Genesis mesh, exporters, or even DS4."

Yep.   ;)

SnowS

Just a question: why don't all you DAZ users go YOUR way and leave us Poser users FREE to go OURS? there is no more any common ground between the different tools so there is no more ANY point in discussing commonalities.

It's OVER. DONE. ENDED. It's a DEAD PARROT. An EX PARROT.

This attitude is going beyond trolling and entering the stalking region.

It is not difficult to understand why people are angry with Daz. Daz and Poser had a perfect relationship with products that supported each other. Then Daz decides to set up shop of its own. A Coup d'état if you will. But they are not going to succeed, because

1. The autofit tool leaves something to be desired and function badly and intermittently.

2. Even when it works it works only with Genesis while Poser 2012 works with both old and new.

1-0 to Poser in first round.

Quote - Just a question: why don't all you DAZ users go YOUR way and leave us Poser users FREE to go OURS? there is no more any common ground between the different tools so there is no more ANY point in discussing commonalities.

It's OVER. DONE. ENDED. It's a DEAD PARROT. An EX PARROT.

This attitude is going beyond trolling and entering the stalking region.

Because as I told you in at least two other places, if people bash DAZ in a forum that I frequent, I am going to defend them. I don't give a hoot what program or figure you use, but I am entitled to my opinion. If people were bashing Poser on DAZ's forum, you would be in there in a second, fighting like mad - but it's not OK when we do it?

You'd never hear a peep out of me if you would stop criticizing DAZ and Genesis at every opportunity.

Quote - It is not difficult to understand why people are angry with Daz. Daz and Poser had a perfect relationship with products that supported each other. Then Daz decides to set up shop of its own. A Coup d'état if you will. But they are not going to succeed, because

1. The autofit tool leaves something to be desired and function badly and intermittently.

2. Even when it works it works only with Genesis while Poser 2012 works with both old and new.

1-0 to Poser in first round.

 

Hmmm... this really started years ago when Poser had different owners and they wanted to charge DAZ a huge fee for an SDK so DAZ could make TransPoser work in Carrara and a rumored NDA and draconian licensing agreement was involved. Whether the story is true or not, there was tons of talk about it at the time in the forums. That's also when the non-functionality between the two companies started and DAZ started going their own way and Poser's owners at the time went theirs. Since then SM now owns Poser, and even though they fixed it so the new Miki wouldn't work in DAZ Studio, both companies are trying to get this new for Poser and DAZ tech to work. They both know how much Vicky rules the majority of their customers' world.

is this where we all gather in a circle and yell FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT?

Quote - ""To be honest, I'm actually surprised and impressed that DAZ got it working so fast. Of course, it still leaves me out in the cold, since you still have to use DS4 to use the exporter, and I can't.""

You are not "left out in the cold"
Smith Micro has provided you with the Holy Grail of
poserdom... "weight mapping"
is this not what the poser base has demanded for years?? ..BETTER joint bending??
So now you can use Alyson& Ryan and Antonia etc with this new magic feature and
you also have true SSS for firefly
so it time to forget about what DAZ is doing
poser pro 2012/9 is the most feature rich release siince Poser6
Be happy!

 

Cheers

Amen...lol.

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - ""To be honest, I'm actually surprised and impressed that DAZ got it working so fast. Of course, it still leaves me out in the cold, since you still have to use DS4 to use the exporter, and I can't.""

You are not "left out in the cold"
Smith Micro has provided you with the Holy Grail of
poserdom... "weight mapping"
is this not what the poser base has demanded for years?? ..BETTER joint bending??
So now you can use Alyson& Ryan and Antonia etc with this new magic feature and
you also have true SSS for firefly
so it time to forget about what DAZ is doing
poser pro 2012/9 is the most feature rich release siince Poser6
Be happy!

 

Cheers

 

Amen...lol.

Laurie

Yeah, now read my reply to that!

Quote - It is not difficult to understand why people are angry with Daz. Daz and Poser had a perfect relationship with products that supported each other. Then Daz decides to set up shop of its own. A Coup d'état if you will.

Well, not quite...

Back in 2002, EGISys (which ran Poser at the time) decided that, when they were going to release Poser5, they would change a few things (as mentioned above). 

Then there was the crisis in which EGISys was choking on seawater, drowning, and if Poser died off, DAZ was suddenly stuck with the possibility of not having a market anymore. 

What began as a means for self-survival became a project that, at the time, really kicked ass (disclosure - I was in on it, so opinions will obviously vary). We wound up with an app that ran way faster than Poser5, did the job a lot better if you were sticking with P4 bits, and has an internal setup that is as flexible as an Olympic gymnast in a gangbang. 

This rightly scared the crap out of the Poser devs, enough that they came out with a product that's actually worth a damn. Like DS, it has bugaboos and problems, but hey, I work with them both and manage to get along.

The rest I can safely ignore, since I never use that one tool. shrug

Quote - It's OVER. DONE. ENDED. It's a DEAD PARROT. An EX PARROT.

...and yet there's the endless snide remarks, the shouting down of others who don't agree that some small company in Utah is actually a satanic entity, and the never-ending evil grins... 

Gotten quite used to seeing them,actually. It's like a GNAA troll at Slashdot - just part of the scenery.

There is a new video up of the DAZ troll/Genesis morph
after passing through the magic "Cr2 for poser" converter portal
WELCOME TO POSER9!!

Cheers

"some small company in Utah is actually a satanic entity,.."

Of course it is not a satanic entity why be so serious? I just enjoy a good fight. As Poser will win. There is nothing more satisfying for a true intellectual than a correct prediction.

Quote - "Sorry, but you and your DAZ Bully buddies do DAZ no favors by coming into the POSER forum of another vendor and brow beat THEIR customers."

Translation: Someone who does not think DAZ Studio and Genesis are complete crap had damn well better keep their mouth shut in this forum.

 

"Just because DAZ won't let you play Bully at THEIR forums anymore doesn't give you license to do it everywhere else."

Translation: I'm not allowed to bash DAZ on their forum anymore, so no one better come in here saying ANYTHING that isn't 100% pro Poser/Antonia.

 

News flash, stating a different opinion or even disagreeing is not bullying.

 

"Long story short? There's a pattern here, and it ain't got nothing to do with the Genesis mesh, exporters, or even DS4."

Yep.   ;)

 

 

SnowS

This is actually pretty sad.  DAZ ran off all their customers, so now their PAs are trolling POSER forums at Rendo.

Bullying all those customers who USE to purchase their stuff from DAZ before they ran them all off.

Pathetic.

What's worse is this is someone who THINKS they can sell something to the very crowd they are in here belitting. 

Dumb.  Pathetic.  Sad.

Another video, this time from SmithMicro :biggrin:.

From people who, at least for now, remember that if they can put something in a dish twice a day (under a roof, not a bridge), it is because lots of people have freely decided to take out a rectangular plastic contraption and to type that 16 digits number printed on it, not because they are entitled to it because of some kind of feudal "first night" right.

Bullying makes people shut up and walk away, it does not make them buy (unless the bully has gun in his hand).

Bye.

**The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street **

"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own -- for the children, and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone." - Rod Serling

Laurie

Glitterati, what part of **"quit bashing DAZ and we will quit complaining about you bashing DAZ"**do you and those like you NOT GET? Jeezus, talk about dumb, pathetic, and sad.

I'm not trying to sell anything to you, I'm trying to get you to talk about your own software and choice of figure without having to tear down another one. Do that, and we'll all get along just fine.

Very cute pic Laurie.  :)

SnowS

A couple of years ago a Daz3D sales rep told me that a majority of their 3rd-party sales are actually to Poser users. I don't know if this is still true. More and more of their products are geared for Genesis only, but a few have been offered for both Genesis and V4, and there are still plenty of V4 / M4 products coming out the door at Daz3D.

I dob't think they want to alienate the Poser market and the developers who make products for it. Reaching out to Poserdom is in Daz's own interest. I doubt they could survive without radically downsizing their business model if they stopped selling and supporting Poser-compatible goods.

Quote - Glitterati, what part of **"quit bashing DAZ and we will quit complaining about you bashing DAZ"**do you and those like you NOT GET? Jeezus, talk about dumb, pathetic, and sad. I'm not trying to sell anything to you, I'm trying to get you to talk about your own software and choice of figure without having to tear down another one. Do that, and we'll all get along just fine.

 

Very cute pic Laurie.  :)

 

SnowS

Telling the TRUTH about DAZ isn't "bashing" DAZ.  It's just the truth.

Of course, if that truth makes you uncomfortable, then I assume it's because the truth hurts.

Yep, I meant it when I asked why anyone was giving DAZ credit for a product they haven't released.  Have you ever heard of Shader Mixer?  Dynamic Clothing for DS3A-64 bit?  Dynamic Clothing Creation Tools?  Morph Follower that doesn't crash the program?  A USER MANUAL for DS3A?

Yep, the list of products DAZ promised are long and painful.  For you.  And that's just the Studio list.  Shall I start on Carrara as well?

Those are TRUTHS to the rest of us.

But, seriously, if you think coming to a POSER forum and bashing the heck out of POSER users is going to SELL DAZ or Genesis, I'd say you're in for a verrrrrrry long haul?!  LOL!

Quote - Very cute pic Laurie.  :)  

SnowS

Oh, I have more....many more

Laurie

The arguing needs to stop.  This thread stopped being productive long ago.  If you guys have problems with each other, please take it to sitemail or elsewhere.

I'm locking this thread.