And I assume that of course the DAZ refitter is a far more advanced tool. No doubt. But I refuse to shift to DAZ because it doesnt have a python interface for me :). I also came in doubt about genesis, because of the morphing joints and weight map joints we will be more able to create custom characters easily, and with a bit of refitting, should it work which I hope, I think one can get some quite decent results still. And Gen4 meshes still have more polys, which I also like. I do not know when SR1 comes out, but I heard philc posted a script somewhere to convert a whole figure to weightmaps. Should they, maybe in a SR2, also allow python access to the individual weight data (to get or set it), then you could also blend smoothly across shapes without destroying the entire rig, I think. Either way, I think I'm done with regard to the refit for now. There are advanced methods that I can think of, but one milestone after the other. There is one memory leak I have to investigate, and to evaluate about shoes and gloves. Are there any free gloves somewhere? Regarding availability in a store: I am very careful with stores. I'd rather sell a few copies cheap through paypal with money-back-if-not-happy option, to find out if it would actually be regarded as a a benefit or not. I won't push a thing to a market place that doesnt create at least a bit of happiness. A small charge I would ask, to cover a part of my expenses and the burden of making it "round", and I will need some resource to research for a cross-fitting solution.