Ok Jeff TY, i guess im stuck in lock ville. I can only do a few renders then i got to reboot and it is a pain cause im working on a new character for Vicky 2 which uses very hi res textures and bumps and well working from Photoshop 6 then importing them into Poser 4, seeing how they look and back to Photoshop again to modify then bam reboot time. Well i will work away with what i can and hopefully put a preview of her soon on here or the gallery :) Happy Rendering and Keep Smiling God Bless rodpanther