thanks all...after closing everything out and waiting it finally (after 3 times doing that) came back. I have started to get some weird error messages so I think I may be having a windows or HD or memory problem...when i tried to import a Vicky image into bryce I got a message saying " error, io bad media" and it could not import the OBJ that I had exported from Poser. I also later got a not enough memory error. I need to clean up my HD and get things onto a cd and try things again. but someone on the Bryce forum said I may be having the beginnings of HD failure (sigh)