I give eovia full credit for Carrara Studio 1.1. I'm very happy with eovia and the state of Carrara, I waited for over a year and a half for Carrara to have a patch that made a difference. And eovia delivered. I bought nearly every program Metacrapations made, Painter, Painter3D, Bryce, Poser,Ray Dream Studio 5, KPT 3-5-6,and when they sold everything off and abandoned us, I was angry to say the least. IMHO Metacreations pissed in their own cereal. But i hung in there, and now I have a version of Carrara that's 89% more stable and functional than it was. No it's not perfect, yet, but at least it works now. And we have new plugins coming out for it, and a future for it. For me, I can't afford 3D Studio Max, so Carrara was the best solution for a reasonable price, and I love it. I would definately recommend upgrading your RayDream to Carrara, you get a true bargain, and Amapi 5 to boot. I don't think eovia is trying to piss anyone off, I think they are doing a great job of giving life to an orphaned program without charging a fortune for it. Metacreations=bad Eovia=good Upgrade to Carrara and you'll be pleasantly suprised. kaom