Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: Hi! DAZ 3D wants to chat.

DAZ_Rand opened this issue on Dec 09, 2011 · 1133 posts


kobaltkween posted Fri, 09 December 2011 at 6:36 PM

Quote - I am confident that we will settle on somethign elegant and useful for all.

There is no reason to assume we wouldnt include customization options no matter the delivery and install method.

once again, it is useless to debate this at this point. If you would like to offer positive ideas for what a cool DL and install system could be like, then please do.  Realistically,  I have to say that we will not be going to a Renderosity-style zip file paradigm.

Sorry, but "elegant and useful for all" is simple archive files in a standard format that pretty much every OS can read.  There is no way to have something "elegant and useful for all," but violate standards, obscure direct access to files, take up unnecessary computer resources, and generally complicate a really simple process that pretty much every computer user has gone through.  It may benefit your company to go a more complicated route, but in most situations, no benefit to users.  That's why archives files are by far the most common way to distribute content in general (even outside of this community), and installation applications are not.

Even in pjz99's scenario of choosing V5 packages to include and options, I can't see why we'd want an installer to do this.  Customizing a purchase is usually something that most people want to do at the store and not at their home.

But I appreciate your honesty in letting us know your company's plans and intentions, and being open to requests and suggestions.  For those who are happy using a whole installation service application, it gives them the opportunity to talk about features.  It also warns those of us who do not want that kind of software on our systems.  Or even can't run that software on our system.  It's really too bad for me, because I deeply admire many of your artists.

Are you going to sell a Poser-ready version of V5/Genesis?  You've demonstrated your exporter, so it's obvious that you not only can create your own Poser-compliant Genesis, you have. Since it's possible for you to produce pre-packaged Genesis products, I was wondering if you are considering releasing any.

Just to clarify, V4 wasn't and isn't the best functioning figure for Poser.  We can talk about qualitative issues with Antonia, like do you personally find her attractive.  We can talk about support issues, like does she have enough morphs, clothes, or textures.  But she's technically superior in several ways.  Her rigging enables her to take more realistic poses without mesh distortion, her mapping has less distortion, her topology distorts less with bending and is more regular, her anatomical proportions and overall shape is more realistic,... I could go on and on.  Frankly, I've yet to see renders of Genesis in her native DS environment bend as well at the ankles, knees, and hips.  V4 is very good, Genesis is even better, but Antonia as she was first released had the best joints of all.  And she's still being improved upon with the new features P9 supports.

It makes perfect sense for DAZ to pursue their own ideas about how to advance their own technology.  I whole-heartedly support them advancing their own platform rather than restricting themselves to only what another company's platform allows.  But that doesn't make their path the only logical or technically accurate path.  As good as DAZ and their products are, there's more than enough room for other innovators and other innovations.