Funny thing about that....Do you realize how long joint fixes have been around and they are just starting to show up now? I seen someone trying to explain how they were done years ago (about 10 to be exact) on victoria 2. So that has been in the works for a long time (and i wouldnt say it was Daz doing or poser doing that work). I was people like you and me trying to figure it out in a community just like this one.