Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: Hi! DAZ 3D wants to chat.

DAZ_Rand opened this issue on Dec 09, 2011 · 1133 posts


blondie9999 posted Sun, 18 December 2011 at 5:54 PM

Quote - Hi Blondie! I take it that you ran out of people to shout down on the DAZ boards & decided to take your show on the road.  Your little screed is exactly what we were talking about earlier.

Since you seemed to have missed it, this is DAZ talking to POSER users.  We are explaining to a DAZ representative, who was kind enough to take time out of his day, to come here & address POSER users about where DAZ is going and make suggestions to how POSER users could continue to view DAZ as a valued resource, as opposed to the great satan.

By and large, the Poser users here have spent a great deal of money on DAZ content & we are trying to address our concerns to DAZ.  We want to continue to give money to DAZ so that even rude DAZ PAs such as yourself can still get a piece of that action.

In an earlier post in this thread when I was talking about DAZ vendors needed customer service training, I was talking about YOU.  Thank you for showing up & not letting me down.  Your hostility to Poser users in general is why not only do I no longer purchase your products (as fine as they are), I have actually gone to the trouble of deleting every product you have ever made from my runtimes.

As a DAZ PA, coming onto a POSER forum, and then to a POSER thread to tell POSER users to sit down & shut up is a bit much.  We got it, you think that DAZ poops rainbows.  Some of us don't.  We like DAZ content (not DS4).  We are addressing our concerns to a DAZ rep, not some DAZ fanboi.

Asking DAZ to rethink some of their policies, isn't an unreasonable demand.  It is a way of addressing the positive feedback loop that has been developing on the DAZ boards.

As a final note, Poser users don't seem to view Genesis as "functionality", We seem to view it as a figure.  As does DAZ apparently, seeing as there is a Victoria 5 section in the DAZ store.

And as far as I am concerned, Genesis is a solution in search of a problem.  I am more concerned about the "app store" for content.  Based on DAZ's apparent inability to code, I don't like how an app store would be tied to a product I have no interest in.  Of course, if the next version of DS is better than Poser 2012, then I might have to reconsider; but right now, it isn't even a contest.

First of all-- I AM a POSER user, and have been one since long before DAZ Studio was even an idea.  With one exception, all the products I have made are for POSER.  I have as much right to participate in a POSER forum as any other POSER user does.

Second-- I do not harbor, and have never displayed, "hostility" toward Poser users in general.  No doubt there are some people who have taken offense because I "dared" to disagree with them, or because I spoke plainly and bluntly instead of coating what I said in enough sugar to keep ten bakeries and a candy factory running for a year.   I see no evidence that such people represent "POSER users" in general, or a majority of "POSER users," or even a significant minority of "POSER users."  In fact, I see no evidence that such people reprsent anyone but themselves.

Third-- I did not tell "POSER users" to "sit down and shut up."  I pointed out that continuing to make the same demand, after it has been explained over and over why that demand cannot be met, is not showing "respect."  It is refusing to listen-- the very same thing some people accuse DAZ of doing.

Fourth-- I do not believe that "DAZ poops rainbows."  Nor am I "DAZ fanboi."  I love the way people fling that term around when they can't think of a rational rebuttal to what has been said and wish to disparage the person who said it.  I also wish that everyone here could fully appreciate just how absurd that term is when used in reference to ME so that they could get as much of a laugh out of it as I did.

Fifth-- no, it isn't "unreasonale" to ask DAZ to rethink some of its policies.  However, it is unreasonable to continue making the same demand over and over after DAZ has explained, again and again, why that demand cannot or will not be met. 

Sixth-- yes, Genesis is a figure-- but V5 is merely a morph of Genesis, not a figure on its own, and how anybody "views" it does not change that.  Since Genesis currently cannot work in Poser, neither can V5. 

Seventh-- I agree that the "app store" approach is a seriously bad idea.