"...but I have to say threads asking people to 'grow up' just add to the problem of people not behaving like grownups." You're probably right but I completely understand the frustration that makes you want to yell something and mine would have been a lot less polite than grow up. I'm not sure what Wolf meant, but he hit it on the head, fear. This is obviously a moment when big changes are here for our little world and people are understandably anxious. Some probably had long standing grudges against certain products/companies, others have new ones. The aired them - fine, they made suggestions - fine. And a few kept on and on and on. Even worse were the conspiracy theories, not the ones many of us love to indulge in, but ones that were provably false, and statements that directly contradicted not only the only official information we had, but the plainly visible facts. That is neither helpful nore mature behavior and yeah, some people pointed it out and that in itself probably kept things going. I regret any part I played in the whole fiasco. I've spent more time here in the past 10 years plus than I have on any other site. Like it or not, it is my internet 'home.' I'm not real big on 'community,' as Groucho said, I refuse jo join any club that would have me as a member. Still, I hate to see it reach a point where people from any company or website come here and see such a thing as has been going on. Maybe I need to leave because I get caught up in these things too easily and I'm doing more harm than good. I don't know. I only know that it's become too much like the forums where they debate politics and religion and it shouldn't be. We should be able to talk about the pluses and minuses of any figure or program without doing it in a way that suggests that (for the vast majority of us) our lives or our fortunes depend on it. I know it's important, to some much more important than for others, but anyone who didn't start this yesterday has enough to keep them occupied for years, even if D & SM vanished in a cloud of smoke tomorrow. Even the poorest of us have so much more than most of the world, it's not even funny. To fight over yet another thing, or how it's packaged or how it works is pretty pathetic. So yeah, we need to grow up. Hopefully this will be a productive discussion, so to avoid jinxing it, I won't comment any further.

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken