"Not once did he whine, cry or complain, right up to his dying day"

Sounds like a person after my heart! "Oft the sone in maners lyke wyll be unto the Father"

I don't care to be part of a heated discussion myself the old english way of pretending that it is raining ie just ignoring the guy works well. That said I enjoy reading OTHER persons heated discussions they are often very funny and I have learned a lot that way. I don't really understand this almost paranoid aversion against heated discussions. Creative people often fights! Sadly many interesting threads have been shut down by overeager forum moderators. The first, medium and last maxim of any moderator should always be like the maxim of the Connatic of Trillion, "When in doubt do nothing".