Jordy we could improve on either way by having one other user to get thing working like the top menus where you can not click to see the past winner. I do not know syyd or colm personnaly and think they do howfully good job maintainning the whole site but they could name one of us to give them a hand in building a better photography newsgroups that have a faster response toward change. Team is power and more people we are better it will move and be effective. I must admit that i am a bit disapointed in not having the result in the contest. :o( It is challenging to see that someone whas selected to have a little something that you where not having in you picture... So colm and syyd if you read this thread and you need some helps we are here yo ! There is no shame there from time to time we need friend to relly on! So upload your load on our back we will split it and it will look like feather to the team!