Quote - Ok, I've seen images from artists in V4/M4 and then looked at their work in Genesis. Am I the only one NOT seeing the same quality coming out? It just doesn't look as good as their work with V4/M4.

Also, the costs associated with Genesis, V5 and D4 are not negligible. I realize it's DAZ's job to get people to spend their money but damn, who can keep up

I, too, see the differences (None good) of the models in renderings and fail to understand the flurry of Genesis based products for something that is subpar and over priced to the point that I am no longer purchasing Studio programs.  I have DS3A, and with everything they've changed and shifted to 'mandatory' to be able to use DS4A or Pro- tack that onto the price of it, the base Gen model, the MORPHS for every single 4 and 3 model, the morphs for expressions...and on...and on..

Tally everything up, and you will have enough once you've purchased the program all the morph sets for Genesis, a couple of skin sets and outfits... Maybe a set or two... Perhaps some pre-fab lighting sets or Mood Master (Oh, wait-that's for DS3 or lower!) and what do you have?

Enough crap to look at and go.."I could have just bought ZBrush or 3dsMax..."

I am not spending anymore of my money on a company that insists on cutting the left hand off to hide what the right hand is doing just for money that is slowly leaking out of their palm anyway.

I am saving my pennies and will be putting that toward something I need.  Upgrading the system, lessons, classes.  I've had it with idiocy and the "gimmie" attitudes I've seen with several unnamed persons and entities concerning this issue.  I am going to concentrate on what I have, and better the work that comes from it rather than keep going for the cookie cutter, half-baked crap.