I saw on Facebook that 3D World Magazine this month included Victoria 5 for free--not only the figure but stuff for her as well.  I haven't bought V5, and although I don't use females in my renders frequently, it might be worth buying the magazine just to get her. 

Since it's a morph set, it's not much good if you don't feel like jumping through hoops to try and get it into Poser and you don't really use DS4.

However, V5 is still exclusively created for Genesis.  There is no real practical use where Poser is concerned.

I suspect thats why DS pro is free now.. to hopefully get more people to jump on the genesis bandwagon.

Since some people use both Poser and Daz Studio, I thought it would be of some interest on this forum--especially since Daz is giving away Daz Studio Pro 4 for free (and it also has the Genesis exporter for Poser).  However, only the Pro version of V5 is anatomically correct--so this free offer may not be too interesting to people who need anatomic correctness in their images.

Do you know hat issue number that is? I went to the local Barnes and Noble, and their copies did not have anything but discs with tutorials. Incidentally, $15.00 for a magazine is not free, but if there is enough content it is not a bad deal. Who knows. At some future time I might want this.

lmk

It's the March issue, #153.  Our B&N is usally at least a month behind.

If you install V5 into Studio and export Genesis, the morphs are incorporated , and  they should be able to be used in Poser.-it worked for me with head morphs  You need to export a Genesis for every UV set you plan to use.

Genesis exported this way generally works well in Poser  (However, the Studio  version I tried exporting from resulted in a figure that exploded when Restore Figure was applied), but I haven't tried exporting conforming clothes.

Phil Cooke has a Genesis WW2 plugin; haven't tried it.

Free free free...it's deja vu all over again ;). Didn't they say they weren't gonna do that anymore? ;)

Laurie

Maybe it should be referred to Clearing Out the Inventory.

The only problem with that, is when you have digital product, you have no actual inventory to clean out.

DAZ is very strange in that respect.  They have to maintain the files on the servers for those who purchased them but they tried to clean of the PC catalog last January and then sent all those Originals to "the vaults" last summer.

Quote - Free free free...it's deja vu all over again ;). Didn't they say they weren't gonna do that anymore? ;)

Laurie

Daz has had a change of management since then. Interestingly, the new management appears every bit as good at stirring up anger and hysteria among their customers. The old management alienated many Poser customers, the new, the Daz loyalists. And in both cases, they were trying to do good. Hope we don't lose what has been a good company over all this. The real enemy, of course, is the economy.  But no one wants to be seen yelling at the economy.

But the economy is controlled by the Illuminati - darned sure not gonna get caught yelling at them,

 Funny Tomsde- I rarely use males in my renders.. :-) Thanks for the tip.

 I had V5 briefly when I briefly had Daz4 Advanced-(returned due to not working well with my 1st gen Mac Pro (Xeon Quad). It's a nice morph.No renders to show-since it kept bugging out on me. But-nice. Caveat: DS4 evidently works well with certain (all?) recent Macs- particularly the MacBook Pro.And I repaired permissions, and updated to 10.6.8.

But I'm keeping Pro- since it's free.- so it might be worth a magazine purchase.

 Wait- maaaybe Daz is a front for the Illuminati? I think that somewhere coded in the Mona Lisa is information on the future World Domination Plans...

Quote - But the economy is controlled by the Illuminati - darned sure not gonna get caught yelling at them,

IMO DAZ made a mistake when they did not make V5 a stand alone figure that could be used equally in Poser or in DAZ studio. There are people out there who are still using Poser 5 (heck I still have Poser 4 on my external drive, but I use just the runtime because of all the crap that I had installed into that program.). I'm not saying that they shouldn't have had their Genesis system or the weight mapping that works only in Studio, I'm just saying to have made the greatest amount of profit they should also have had a stand alone V5 and M5 figure for the general Poser market. But then again, the newest PS3 machines are no longer backward compatible and will no longer play PS2 and PS1 games. Big shame that. I'm not getting rid of my PS3 machine because it still is compatible and will play those game format discs. Even though I bought the hype and went and got DAZ Studio 4 Pro last night, I'm not sure I'm even going to install the program. Genesis and V5 are not that much of an interest for me because of the hoops you have to go through just to get it into Poser. I guess I was more lured by Bryce 7 Pro (and my room mate wanted Hexagon). So even though I fell for the lure, I'm not on the Genesis/V5 bandwagon because its not installable/workable with Poser, which is my program of choice.

And no, I'm not DAZ bashing here. I'm just think they made a bad marketing decision with the direction they went with Genesis.

It will be interesting to see how it all pans out, I was skeptical about Genesis when it came out until I tried it--now I'm hooked.  I'm not ready to jettison Poser and keep hoping for more decent looking Poser humans that I can use in that program because frankly I get bored with reworking the same models over and over again.  Yes, it would be nice to have the best of both worlds, so to speak--but then people would most likely complain that they don't want to have to buy multiple versions of the same character.  I would be interesting if a 3rd party vendor could come up with some sort of Poser plug-in that would make Genesis work with Poser--it would solve a lot of issues for a lot of people.

As I understand it, Poser Python currently doesn't have access to some of the rigging functions that would be needed to add morphs with new joint centers to an existing library figure, which would be needed to add new characters, such as the Genesis gorilla; the scuttlebutt is that some of these Python commands may be added in SR2. 

However, DAZ would need to have someone program the necessary scripts and build everything in Poser format...

When they had Aiko 3 for free in 3D World I think it was, I had to go to two different Barnes and Nobles to find one that still had the DVD in it. I guess some people really thought it should be FREE!

That sucks jerr3d.  At our B & N the magazine is sometimes sealed in a plastic bag for that very reason I suppose.

Quote - That sucks jerr3d.  At our B & N the magazine is sometimes sealed in a plastic bag for that very reason I suppose.

Yeah, they were in plastic bags, someone ripped the bag open and took the CD/DVD!

Haven't gone looking for the V5 one yet.

Yeah, they do that here too. Sticky fingered bastards...lol.

Laurie

Quote - It will be interesting to see how it all pans out, I was skeptical about Genesis when it came out until I tried it--now I'm hooked.  I'm not ready to jettison Poser and keep hoping for more decent looking Poser humans that I can use in that program because frankly I get bored with reworking the same models over and over again.  Yes, it would be nice to have the best of both worlds, so to speak--but then people would most likely complain that they don't want to have to buy multiple versions of the same character.  I would be interesting if a 3rd party vendor could come up with some sort of Poser plug-in that would make Genesis work with Poser--it would solve a lot of issues for a lot of people.

I agree, been trying Genesis and it is rather fun. Enough I spent some dollars for Genesis content. Say goodbye to M4/V4.

As for how it works out. I hope Daz hasn't shot themselves in the foot one too many times. Genesis got a lot of their Poser users in an uproar. Now this giveaway has gotten many of their loyal Daz users all lathered up. In this ecomony you can't afford to lose ANY customers.

I'd like to see a similar system in Poser. Doesn't have to be Genesis. Just something with similar flexibility. I'm not abandoning Poser. I like it very much.

Ran the 3 newly free programs thru my cart a few days ago and still have not downloaded all of them yet.

But I am going to install DS4 Pro one of these days and try it out. I think...

Currently using Poser Pro '10 with no plans at the moment to upgrade it. Unless of course SM makes me an offer I cannot confuse, I mean refuse.

I think you only have 5 days to download those programs.

Laurie

Hey Laurie,

If you don't download them in the time alloted, you can reset them anytime.
 

Coldrake

Quote - I think you only have 5 days to download those programs.

Laurie

DAZ Downloads have always had the ability to be reset at any time after purchase. I haven't heard them saying this would be revoked for these purchases.

Ok, I thought someone said you only had 5 days. Cool ;).

Laurie

According to this we have until February 29th to get the free software:

http://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/-/daz-studio-4?item=13176

Since I've got Advanced I've been holding off until the frenzy quiets down.

You can reset your order, but there is a limit of three resets in any three month period (if you need more you can always open a support ticket).

I was hoping to get this magazine myself to have V5, but I went to Barnes and Nobels today and they only had last month's issue of 3D World.   I usually find the mag to expensive for me and I don't use high end 3D modeling programs, but this content would have been worth the price of admission.

They are usually a month behind everywhere. Ask them when they get the issues in. (Its usually around the same time every month.)

Thanks Garee, good idea!

Now wouldn't it be just ducky of Smith Micro made Poser9 or PoserPro 2012 free for download?....... dreaming......

And then they would be out of business. No.

Handing it out for free would devalue it I'm thinkin ;). Would be nice tho for those of use with no funds :P.

Laurie

Or, they could just send me lots of money to get a new system first, then buy their software.  That way, nothing gets devalued, they make a sale and I get the kit I want. Everyone wins.  :)

A new car would be nice, too.  And I've had my eye on this really cool Les Paul.  And a new pitch shifter.  And a new wah pedal. 

Works for me. 

Re: the point that Daz should have released a version of V5 for Poser; that is, not based on Genesis.

I think that unless V5 fixed Vicky's joint issues and other design flaws they never got around to correcting, there wouldn't be much point in releasing a Poser version of the Genesis V5. It would just be another body shape.

For all intents and purposes, the Poser community created the real V5 with the weightmapped-V4. The "official" Daz V5 is just a body shape for Genesis that they decided arbitrarily would be called V5.  A lot more people bought it (and the V5 bundles) than if it had been sold as just another Genesis female morph, so the strategy was quite effective.

Does V5 look that much like V4?  I'm not a good judge.  V5 pro also has Vickies nasty bits--isn't that a first?  I know that V1/V2 had no gens.  It certainly seems that V4 is no where near going into retirement as I see new stuff for her every week--she has some many characters and morphs.  The real benefit of Genesis is that V5 can be combined with other female forms to create a totally new look in a blended way that is not likely easily acheived with the V4 version.

I've seen it posted that V5 out of the box has no gen detail. You have to buy an expensive Pro bundle to get that. But I can't speak from personal knowledge.

Quote - Now wouldn't it be just ducky of Smith Micro made Poser9 or PoserPro 2012 free for download?....... dreaming......

Not exactly free but SM have a Valentine Sale for them.

I think it would make sense for them to give Poser Debut away to get people to try Poser, then they would almost certainly buy a full version of the software if they like it.  It wouldn't make sense for them to give the current generation of Poser away.

Quote - Not exactly free but SM have a Valentine Sale for them.

That is an amazing 50% off-it's only 40% :blink:

SM did give Debut away in December, but only for a few days...

Quote - > Quote - Not exactly free but SM have a Valentine Sale for them.

 

That is an amazing 50% off-it's only 40% :blink:

 

SM did give Debut away in December, but only for a few days...

Oh, it said only 40% in the email I received. I think they have made a typing error. :blink:

I have Poser Debut and Poser 8.

That is still a lot of money for P9 and P2012PRO.

50% off is an excellent price, I got Poser Pro 2012 for that during their Black Friday sale and it was cheaper for the "full" version at 50% off than the upgrade version was regularly priced.

Quote - I have Poser Debut and Poser 8.

That is still a lot of money for P9 and P2012PRO.

Look at the cost of Photoshop, 3d studio Max, Vue Infinite, or Zbrush, and then get back to me about the cost of poserpro.

I am glad if you feel that is a good deal.

I am not interested in comparisons with other products right now.

I have Poser Debut and Poser8. I bought both. I bought P8 during a sale a few months before P9 and P2012PRO were released. I think it was dishonourable for SM to push P8 (through a sale) when they were planning to bring out the new iterations such a short time later, which essentially makes P8 obsolete. They knew exactly what they were doing and decided to milk customers for as much as they could get. I am sure many customers, including myself, would have saved their money and waited for P9 if we had known it would be available in so short a time after getting P8. Many people, including myself, have limited resources, and as good as this sale appears to many, I can't take advantage of it.

Now, this is not a comment on the value of Poser software. It is a comment on business practices and ethics. This naturaly has an effect on customer satisfaction.

This is not something I am interested in debating. I present it simply as my experience. You have some similar sentiments in the DAZ community as a result of DAZ 4 PRO being made available for free.

When Poser 4 came out it was selling for about $600 without an upgrade.  I had to wait until I got a special price to be able to afford it--same thing with Photoshop.   Poser without an upgrade is now a lot more affordable for people, then SM also offered a preorder on the upgrade to 9  of only $79.00--which I considered to be a steal--considering I could easily spend that much on content alone in one foul swoop. Most software companies offer deep discounts on outgoing versions before a new one is released--Adobe not as much but they may offer $50 off or something.  The changes between Poser 8 and 9 were more subtle than sweeping--Poser 8 is still a good version which produces good results so you can hold off until some time in the future when they may offer a better discount that you find more affordable.  Oh and I just realized I made a mistake above, the Black Friday special was for 60%--not 50%.

At least SM offers non-linear upgrades, that is you don't have to have the directly preceding version in order to get the upgrade price on the next version.  E-on requires you to have the last version of a program to get the best upgrade price and if you have the version before that you end up paying substaitailly more.  I had bought 2 versions of Vue Infinite thinking that I'd continue to get affordable pricing--but since Vue has "gone Hollywood" and is now used in many major motion pictures they've jacked up the price of Infinite so much even with an upgrade I couldn't afford it--I had to settle for a lesser version with the old interface which I don't like as much.  Such in the world of software.  Since Poser is used by a lot of graphics designers for ad work, book covers, comic books, and magazine articles we're lucky they haven't raised the price on it further.

Thanks, Tomsde.

Those are all good points you make. They are certainly educational to me also. Much appreciated.

R

A few years ago I enquired about how much an upgrade of Vue would be if I skipped a version and it turned out that I would be still, more or less, be paying for the upgrade for the version I hadn't had plus the upgrade price for the current version. The price of Vue is getting so high and new versions coming out so frequently that it is impossible for a hobbyist to keep up. In this respect I think Poser is excellent value considering you can skip versions and still get the same price for the upgrade. Except for ZBrush I think the SM way is one of the most generous in this field.

E-on wants you to buy a monthly membership promises the next version of the software as soon as it comes out--but if you add up the monthly payments you're still paying the same amont.  I may not want ot have to upgrade to every version of s program--in fact I've already skipped certain Photoshop upgrades in the past--it's good that not every company makes you upgrade every version in order to not loose your upgrade price.